Mossberg 464 opinions wanted

[NapalmCheese]

I was thinking of picking up another .30-30 for a "bang around let's have some fine why not bring a rifle in case a hunting opportunity comes up" gun. Seems I can get a straight stocked Mossberg 464 for about the price of a late-60's to early 80's Winchester 94 (or even less in many cases).

What are you opinions on the 464? Reliable? Good enough fit and finish? Handles/feels about like a Winchester (they're the same weight, same length barrel, seems like it should be a clone in the handling and carrying department)? Shoots well enough? Have you shot cast bullets with it?

[hambam105]

What is a Mossberg 464?
Shoots like a Winchester? A Red Ryder BB Gun shoots like a Winchester.
If you want a lever 30-30 that shoots like a Winchester then buy a Winchester.
But I suppose if the Inner-Web Life Time Guarantee Herd says it shoots like a Winchester then maybe you are on to something.

[NapalmCheese]

What is a Mossberg 464?

It's a rifle.

[hambam105]

If & When Mossberg wants to sell lever 30-30s then more power to them. Mossberg has manufactured plenty of real value guns. And as a company I bet they are on the correct side of the customer and 2A concerns.

As for Winchesters...If you want a lever gun that shoots like a Winchester than there is only one Winchester.

[NapalmCheese]

As for Winchesters...If you want a lever gun that shoots like a Winchester than there is only one Winchester.

That's not really what I'm asking for now is it?

Opinions on build quality and shooting characteristics are appreciated. Handling comparisons to a Winchester 94 are also appreciated. The bulk of my levergun experience is with a late 60's Winchester 94. I found a new Mossberg 464 for a price comparable to that of a well used late 60's 94. Since I'm looking for a beater gun I could go either way, but the Mossberg may be the better value. Especially considering I may try to get my retired gunsmith buddy to cut it down to 16 inches.

The Mossberg 464 looks like a Winchester 94 AE with a tang safety and lacks the half cock on the hammer. It's a half a pound heavier (about) and has about an extra half inch length of pull, overall length is 3/8ths inch longer than the Winchester, twist rate is 1:10 compared to the 1:12 of the Winchester. Both are straight grips, capacity is the same, the Mossberg lacks a hood for the front sight I believe. I'm assuming it'll feel/handle pretty close but a comparison from someone that has shot both would be nice. More important is a discussion about the functional and build quality.

[hambam105]

Excuse Me.

Not counting myself, I only know about a dozen or so regular lever gun shooters with about 150 years worth of lever shooting experience between them. Haven't 'herd' squat about some Mossberg shooting like a Winchester, yet.

I have heard of plenty of shooters wanting to modify a Winchester '73 or '92 or '94 so as to make it look like a particular one they saw on TV or a motion picture show. Examples would be the TV show, The Rifleman, or the movie, Hombre. I saw how the rifles turned out.

So that concludes my functional and build quality experience. Hope the Cowboy Action Shooters have better information on the topic and I bid you good luck on your decisions and your shooting festivities.

[pennstater]

NC, I can only go with a couple youtube video's. Sorry, it's all I got. But, the shooters generally liked them. Fit and finish seemed good, accuracy was as good as most other lever rifles. Like I said, that is all I got. Not sure why the other poster has such disdain for the 464 if he's never heard of it or seen one. Oh well.

[NapalmCheese]

NC, I can only go with a couple youtube video's. Sorry, it's all I got. But, the shooters generally liked them. Fit and finish seemed good, accuracy was as good as most other lever rifles. Like I said, that is all I got. Not sure why the other poster has such disdain for the 464 if he's never heard of it or seen one. Oh well.

Yeah, it would seem no one I know has ever used one, nor anyone on this forum. I'll just run into the store and play with it for a while and go with my gut. The reviews are positive. Or I'll talk myself out of buying another gun. Whatever.

[ar15barrels]

That's not really what I'm asking for now is it?

Opinions on build quality and shooting characteristics are appreciated. Handling comparisons to a Winchester 94 are also appreciated. The bulk of my levergun experience is with a late 60's Winchester 94. I found a new Mossberg 464 for a price comparable to that of a well used late 60's 94. Since I'm looking for a beater gun I could go either way, but the Mossberg may be the better value. Especially considering I may try to get my retired gunsmith buddy to cut it down to 16 inches.

The Mossberg 464 looks like a Winchester 94 AE with a tang safety and lacks the half cock on the hammer. It's a half a pound heavier (about) and has about an extra half inch length of pull, overall length is 3/8ths inch longer than the Winchester, twist rate is 1:10 compared to the 1:12 of the Winchester. Both are straight grips, capacity is the same, the Mossberg lacks a hood for the front sight I believe. I'm assuming it'll feel/handle pretty close but a comparison from someone that has shot both would be nice. More important is a discussion about the functional and build quality.

Mossberg can make any design cheaper.
They do it by not machining as precisely, casting parts that other companies machine, not finishing them nicely and any other means necessary to save manufacturing costs.

If that's what you are looking for, then Mossberg is for you.
Mossberg is no Winchester.
A NEW Mossberg for the price of a USED Winchester is NOT a bargain.

[NapalmCheese]

They do it by not machining as precisely, casting parts that other companies machine, not finishing them nicely and any other means necessary to save manufacturing costs.

If that's what you are looking for, then Mossberg is for you.
A NEW Mossberg for the price of a USED Winchester is NOT a bargain.

A used post '64, pre USRAC Winchester? Because that's the price range the Mossberg is in; and those post '64 and pre USRAC Winchesters are not well loved. I know about their warts, I grew up shooting one.

My goal is not to buy a Winchester, if that's what I wanted that's what I'd buy. My goal is to end up with a 16 inch barreled .30-30 that isn't butt ugly and costs basically peanuts after tax, transfer, and DROS. My preferences are straight stocked, slick sided, plain wood, blued, no crossbolt safety, no microgroove rifling.

Cutting down a post '64 to pre USRAC Winchester 94 is one possible way, cutting down a Mossberg 464 is another way. Waiting to find a late production trapper on an auction site is another way.

Thus, I wanted opinions on the Mossberg 464 and welcomed comparisons to the post '64 to pre USRAC Winchester 94s. It sounds like they are functional and reliable, and from the stats probably handle and carry similar to what I like. Given your input on new Mossberg vs. used post '64 Winchester I can mull this over some more.

[golfish]

I was thinking of picking up another .30-30 for a "bang around let's have some fine why not bring a rifle in case a hunting opportunity comes up" gun. Seems I can get a straight stocked Mossberg 464 for about the price of a late-60's to early 80's Winchester 94

Brother, if it were me I'd go with a Winchester. I've read nothing but good things about the 464, same with the 94. I think the deal breaker is resale value. I dont own a 464 but I do have a couple Mossberg shotgun. I was a Mossberg hater from the start, right up until I bought a couple of their shotguns two years ago. They're kind of cheaply made but they work, every time. Great for HD
I also have a couple 94s (1975 94/22 and a 2003 94AE, plus I have a new Miroku Winchester 1892 in 45 colt. The Winchester are so nice. You got me thinking about buying one of these 464

Good luck, please let us know what you decide.

[ar15barrels]

Cutting down a post '64 to pre USRAC Winchester 94 is one possible way, cutting down a Mossberg 464 is another way. Waiting to find a late production trapper on an auction site is another way.

Thus, I wanted opinions on the Mossberg 464 and welcomed comparisons to the post '64 to pre USRAC Winchester 94s. It sounds like they are functional and reliable, and from the stats probably handle and carry similar to what I like. Given your input on new Mossberg vs. used post '64 Winchester I can mull this over some more.

I have cut down quite a few of the unloved Winchesters to 16" for people.
They handle very nicely afterwards.

[elSquid]

I have to admit...those marinecote, 16 inch 464s are pretty interesting...



Davidson exclusive.

https://www.galleryofguns.com/genie/Default.aspx?item=41050

They aren't a huge amount of money either.

https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/719009027/Firearms/Rifles/Mossberg/MOS+464+LVR+30-30M+GRAY+LAM

I've no experience with the 464...but I might in the future.



-- Michael

[hambam105]

Isn't there a Law that says funny colored plastic sights, fake wood, and stainless steel are illegal on any
lever gun that so much as slightly looks like a Winchester lever gun?

If not there should be.

[elSquid]

Isn't there a Law that says funny colored plastic sights, fake wood, and stainless steel are illegal on any
lever gun that so much as slightly looks like a Winchester lever gun?

If not there should be.

Once I started buying Glocks, I realized that not everything had to be blued steel and nicely figured wood. It's okay to trade away looks for increased functionality.



I do have a weakness for stainless Marlins and laminated wood.



:swoon:

-- Michael