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  • #46
    ar15barrels
    I need a LIFE!!
    • Jan 2006
    • 57169

    Originally posted by longrange1
    is this not what we are talking about here or did i miss something?

    receivers are straight the chassis is whats out.
    Actually, the problem with most chassis is that they do not support the tang of a 700 receiver and therefore the tang gets bent as the rear action screw is tightened.
    This puts the whole receiver into a slight banana shape.
    As the reciever is going from straight to banana, the barrel acts as a pointer and starts deflecting because the barrel is anchored to the front of the reciever.
    Randall Rausch

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    • #47
      deckhandmike
      Calguns Addict
      • Jan 2011
      • 8325

      What kinda damage does bedding a chassis do? People mention it affects resale. Is it just cosmetic or does it screw stuff up for the next owner that wants to drop a different barrel in?

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      • #48
        longrange1
        Senior Member
        • Dec 2015
        • 1032

        Originally posted by ar15barrels
        Actually, the problem with most chassis is that they do not support the tang of a 700 receiver and therefore the tang gets bent as the rear action screw is tightened.
        This puts the whole receiver into a slight banana shape.
        As the reciever is going from straight to banana, the barrel acts as a pointer and starts deflecting because the barrel is anchored to the front of the reciever.
        yep i get it...i had a savage PTA in a bell carlson A-5 with the aluminum block...the tang area was about .070 lower than the rest of the block.

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        • #49
          ar15barrels
          I need a LIFE!!
          • Jan 2006
          • 57169

          Originally posted by deckhandmike
          What kinda damage does bedding a chassis do? People mention it affects resale. Is it just cosmetic or does it screw stuff up for the next owner that wants to drop a different barrel in?
          No damage to the chassis or the reciever occurs from bedding.

          Resale is effected because you need to grind out the bedding and re-do it if you want to swap receivers.
          That's extra work that you would not have to do had the chassis not been bedded.

          Damage COULD occur during the removal of the old bedding.
          Any damage that occurred would likely just be cosmetic and would disappear under the new bedding though.
          Randall Rausch

          AR work: www.ar15barrels.com
          Handguns: www.handgunbarrels.com
          Bolt actions: www.700barrels.com
          Foreign Semi Autos: www.akbarrels.com
          Most work done while you wait on a scheduled shop visit.

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          • #50
            bug_eyedmonster
            • Oct 2007
            • 3639

            I still do not understand the fascination with chassis-style stocks. They are heavier and more expensive than traditional stocks, and like another thread has covered, STILL REQUIRE BEDDING. OP, MDT is giving you the runaround, you need to, at the very least, skim bed your action to the chassis. As AR15 Barrels said, bedding will only help your rifle (if done correctly).

            Jerry
            The inconvenience of poor quality lingers long after the thrill of a good bargain.

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            • #51
              ar15barrels
              I need a LIFE!!
              • Jan 2006
              • 57169

              Originally posted by bug_eyedmonster
              I still do not understand the fascination with chassis-style stocks.
              Makes a bolt gun look like an AR.
              Randall Rausch

              AR work: www.ar15barrels.com
              Handguns: www.handgunbarrels.com
              Bolt actions: www.700barrels.com
              Foreign Semi Autos: www.akbarrels.com
              Most work done while you wait on a scheduled shop visit.

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              • #52
                longrange1
                Senior Member
                • Dec 2015
                • 1032

                I do not like chassis’s but I own/run 3 of them...there is no comparing an MPA chassis to a stock when you start looking at the features and functions...If they are to heavy for you maybe it’s time to hit the gym...my comp rifle weighs in at just under 20lbs I have no problem running stages.

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                • #53
                  bug_eyedmonster
                  • Oct 2007
                  • 3639

                  Woah, easy there tough guy. What features and functions are you referring to? How do they benefit you over a more traditional stock, and why would those features and functions not be available to them?
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                  The inconvenience of poor quality lingers long after the thrill of a good bargain.

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                  • #54
                    oktavist
                    Member
                    • Aug 2015
                    • 391

                    Maybe I don't understand because I just woke up and I'm still sleepy...

                    Aren't things suppose to move when you adjust the action screws? Is this just a solution to loose action screws? Or are you guys getting barrel deflection with proper screw torque?

                    Saying, "I loosened my stuff, and now it moves, so I should bed my action." Is what I'm getting from this.

                    Sorry, I'm slow...
                    Calguns Lurker

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                    • #55
                      ar15barrels
                      I need a LIFE!!
                      • Jan 2006
                      • 57169

                      Originally posted by bug_eyedmonster
                      What features and functions are you referring to?
                      He's talking about the forend rail and the weight system.
                      Randall Rausch

                      AR work: www.ar15barrels.com
                      Handguns: www.handgunbarrels.com
                      Bolt actions: www.700barrels.com
                      Foreign Semi Autos: www.akbarrels.com
                      Most work done while you wait on a scheduled shop visit.

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                      • #56
                        ar15barrels
                        I need a LIFE!!
                        • Jan 2006
                        • 57169

                        Originally posted by oktavist
                        Maybe I don't understand because I just woke up and I'm still sleepy...

                        Aren't things suppose to move when you adjust the action screws? Is this just a solution to loose action screws? Or are you guys getting barrel deflection with proper screw torque?

                        Saying, "I loosened my stuff, and now it moves, so I should bed my action." Is what I'm getting from this.

                        Sorry, I'm slow...
                        If the action fits the stock, the stock will not bend the action while torqueing the action screws.
                        When we talk about loosening/tightening the screws to check for movement, we are talking about testing for movement from about 1 inch-pound of torque up to max torque which would be around 35-60 inch-pounds depending on the screw head.
                        We are NOT talking about movement that would occur when the screw is completely loose or removed and there is no torque present.
                        Last edited by ar15barrels; 05-02-2019, 12:35 PM.
                        Randall Rausch

                        AR work: www.ar15barrels.com
                        Handguns: www.handgunbarrels.com
                        Bolt actions: www.700barrels.com
                        Foreign Semi Autos: www.akbarrels.com
                        Most work done while you wait on a scheduled shop visit.

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                        • #57
                          longrange1
                          Senior Member
                          • Dec 2015
                          • 1032

                          Originally posted by bug_eyedmonster
                          Woah, easy there tough guy. What features and functions are you referring to? How do they benefit you over a more traditional stock, and why would those features and functions not be available to them?
                          Why the tough guy comment? Because I said if you can not carry your gun go to the gym?
                          This is just a few of the things an MPA chassis will do outta the box that your traditional stock will not do...can you add stuff to make it close? Maybe....but then there’s the extra cost and weight.
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                          Last edited by longrange1; 05-02-2019, 5:55 PM.

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                          • #58
                            sigstroker
                            I need a LIFE!!
                            • Jan 2009
                            • 19787

                            Also a cutaway magwell for faster reloading.

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                            • #59
                              smoothy8500
                              Veteran Member
                              • Sep 2009
                              • 3846

                              Originally posted by bug_eyedmonster
                              I still do not understand the fascination with chassis-style stocks. They are heavier and more expensive than traditional stocks
                              He comments about how heavy chassis stocks are. How much heavier are they compared to McMillan or Manners stocks? Those two manufacturers certainly aren't lightweight either, especially if you have adjustable buttstocks and cheek risers. Unless he's talking about plain-jane B&C or H-S stocks which can be lighter.

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                              • #60
                                smoothy8500
                                Veteran Member
                                • Sep 2009
                                • 3846

                                Yeah, I think his comment was slightly out towards left field.

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