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  • #61
    LynnJr
    Calguns Addict
    • Jan 2013
    • 7958



    OP
    You have a bunch of well intentioned posters offering you advise.
    If your wanting to hunt animals up to elk in size forget the 22 long rifle 17 hmr and 223 posts.
    If your planning on hunting pigs and deer mainly and you have changed your original choices of 270 or 30-06 start with 243 as your smallest round.

    More pigs and cows have been slaughtered with the use of a 22 long rifle than all other rounds combined but that isn't hunting.

    Next you have to decide what kind of person you are. Do you wipe off all of your hand tools after each use and place them on the wall in an outlined drawing?
    Or
    Do you hammer a nail and drop the hammer back into a tool box or leave it on the counter?
    My truck hasn't been washed in over 10 years except for when it rains and the entire bed is currently covered in pig and deer blood.
    Some hunters will put down a tarp and have there truck detailed after getting it dusty and not killing anything.
    Neither way is an issue you just have to know which way you lean in order to be happy.
    I have many many Remington's both new and old. The picture is of a two year old 700 with a rusty bolt knob. I will never call Remington about it and I will never put oil on the knob either. I know that knob will never be detrimental to my way of hunting or shooting.
    I have hunting buddies that would have a third stage coronary event if that was there gun and they would call Remington relentlessly and write about it on 20 forums.

    I don't call them names or think they need help it's just how people are different.

    Next we keep reading about the flat trajectory of the 270 and how it is flatter than the 30-06.

    The 270 shoots a 130 grain bullet at 3140 FPS.
    The 30-06 shoots a 125 grain bullet at 3300 FPS.
    Most hunters using a 270 will use 130-140 grain bullets while most hunters using the 30-06 will be using 150-180 grain bullets.
    I don't mind people saying a 130 is flatter shooting to 300 yards than a 180 is at 300 yards but it's not a good comparison in my opinion. Match up the bullet weights and make a more honest comparison.

    I sent a brand new hunting rifle in to one of the world's finest gunsmiths for a new barrel. A few days goes by and my email and my cellphone are both lit up with messages. I gave the gunsmith Jim Borden a call and he was all excited that my brand new Borden action was all scratched up and his wife Joan had sent me a pile of pictures. I told him the gun had fallen of the rollcage of my Jeep and slid down a rocky road before ending up in a ditch. I told him to toss the old barrel and put on a new one and all was well.
    I was shooting at the biggest 1000 yard Benchrest match many months later and a fellow competitor who was shooting a Borden gun told me he had to call Jim for a part and when Jim found out he was from California he asked him if he knew me.
    John"Pretty Gun" Crawford was the nickname I gave that shooter and he said yes I shoot with him all the time. Jim told him the story about the scratched up action and John told him I hit a BAT action with a mallet and the handle flew over the cyclone fence at the 100 yard range at Sacramento.

    I don't purposely abuse my gear but I do use it for its intended role.
    Last edited by LynnJr; 05-14-2019, 9:57 AM.
    Lynn Dragoman, Jr.
    Southwest Regional Director
    Unlimited Range Shooters Association (URSA)
    www.unlimitedrange.org
    Not a commercial business.
    URSA - Competition starts at 2000 yards!

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    • #62
      RNE228
      Senior Member
      • Oct 2013
      • 2458

      The only bad thing about Savage is they discontinued the Model 99.

      Originally posted by TMB 1
      I haven't had any bad experiences with my Savage rifles either, only thing that bugs me about Savage is their low cost rifles use expensive magazines that aren't any better made than the 783's magazines.

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      • #63
        oak18
        Member
        • Nov 2016
        • 459

        Originally posted by TMB 1
        I think it's more of a few bad experiences parroted by many. I could see you being upset with Remington if you'd said it was your bad experience and not I read it on the internet.

        I haven't had any bad experiences with my Savage rifles either, only thing that bugs me about Savage is their low cost rifles use expensive magazines that aren't any better made than the 783's magazines.
        That’s the thing though. I don’t own a single Remington firearm because of the amount of bad experiences I’ve read about online. Not only that either, I also don’t want to support a parent company that is known to cut corners to maximize profits. I don’t think it’s abnormal to feel irritated with a company when there are so many people complaining about inferior products that they spent their hard earned money on.

        I’ve seen complaints about Ruger and Savage as well as practically all other firearm manufacturers out there, but the amount doesn’t even come close to the likes of Remington, Kimber, Taurus and Century Arms to name a few. Those are probably the 4 most hated firearm manufacturers in the industry.

        I mean, I’ve never seen a Reddit thread where’s there’s 400+ comments ****ting on a firearm manufacturer like this one:


        And for ****s sake, Remington filed for bankruptcy this year. There’s so many red flags with that company.
        Last edited by oak18; 12-30-2018, 9:20 PM.

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        • #64
          XVIga_Rob
          Senior Member
          • May 2012
          • 2354

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          • #65
            TMB 1
            Calguns Addict
            • Dec 2012
            • 7153

            No experience with Kimber, but I've had enough experience with Taurus and Century Arms to make me think the hate is more of the internet parrot game.
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            • #66
              oak18
              Member
              • Nov 2016
              • 459

              Originally posted by TMB 1
              No experience with Kimber, but I've had enough experience with Taurus and Century Arms to make me think the hate is more of the internet parrot game.

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              • #67
                Isacpotatoes
                Junior Member
                • Jul 2017
                • 42

                Let's try to concentrate on hunting in this post, and not make it an OEM war.


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                • #68
                  TMB 1
                  Calguns Addict
                  • Dec 2012
                  • 7153

                  That's possible never been into AK much, didn't know they even made them. Their replica 93/97 and 87 shotguns they import are pretty good, to sort of stay on topic a slug out of one kill a pig pretty dead too.
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                  • #69
                    Bisley
                    Member
                    • Oct 2018
                    • 196

                    Originally posted by Rockdog
                    Hello everyone,

                    I have been floating around the site for a while, but I think this might be my first post.

                    I have a plan to learn to hunt, I am in my late 30's and have never hunted and I have limited experience with rifles. I do own a 9mm that I shoot around one a month.
                    ".....learn to hunt...."
                    ".....have never hunted...."
                    ".....have limited experience with rifles."

                    And you want to throw a medium bore centerfire in his hands to both learn to hunt and shoot. Good luck. Hope the OP is rich and has an Iron Man suit lol. It would be worth starting a betting pool to see which flinches harder his shoulder or his wallet!

                    Good luck.....

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                    • #70
                      Pharmboy
                      Senior Member
                      • Apr 2011
                      • 607

                      For a new rifle shooter interested in hunting, we should support and provide constructive input on this forum. It is up to the OP to decide on next steps. Having said that, I would strongly recommend shooting a lower recoil (but adaquate hunting round) first, before trying out a more powerful cartridge. Some people can handle recoil better than others, but most will develop a flinch if they go straight to a -06. Some people shoot a 22LR before and after shooting a bruiser, in order to desensitize their flinch. I never used this technique with a rifle, but did buy a P229 pistol conversion to develop better trigger control to deal with that damn double action.
                      Last edited by Pharmboy; 12-31-2018, 12:36 AM.

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                      • #71
                        LynnJr
                        Calguns Addict
                        • Jan 2013
                        • 7958

                        Originally posted by Bisley
                        ".....learn to hunt...."
                        ".....have never hunted...."
                        ".....have limited experience with rifles."

                        And you want to throw a medium bore centerfire in his hands to both learn to hunt and shoot. Good luck. Hope the OP is rich and has an Iron Man suit lol. It would be worth starting a betting pool to see which flinches harder his shoulder or his wallet!

                        Good luck.....
                        My wife shoots my 50BMG 30-40 rounds a day and doesn't have any flinching problems. The OP is 30 years old and wants to hunt deer pigs and maybe a elk down the road and you suggest a 22 LR a 17 hmr and a 223?
                        It begs the question have you ever hunted anything at all?
                        Where I live the average hunter shoots his rifle 3-4 times a year which is usually sight in at the range a week before the season a missed shot a couple practice shots then a kill shot. After that it goes into the closet for another year.
                        Yes it would be great to get 3 years of practice in
                        Yes it would be great to have seal team six train him for a couple more years.
                        Yes it would be great to win a bunch of matches and take a bunch of courses before hunting but unfortunately this most likely will never happen just like all the 12 year old kids getting there first hunting license and using dad's gun to get a buck.

                        Oak18
                        Tell all those miserable Remington 700 and Kimber owners I will buy those horrible nasty untrustworthy disgusting dangerous trigger liability rifles for $40 a piece to get them off the streets!!!!! And to protect humanity!!!!
                        Lynn Dragoman, Jr.
                        Southwest Regional Director
                        Unlimited Range Shooters Association (URSA)
                        www.unlimitedrange.org
                        Not a commercial business.
                        URSA - Competition starts at 2000 yards!

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                        • #72
                          TMB 1
                          Calguns Addict
                          • Dec 2012
                          • 7153

                          Remington Model 7 Predator rifle in .243 Winchester with a 22-inch fluted barrel, Mossy Oak Brush camo, synthetic stock, and 4+1 capacity.


                          This be another good one if you decide on 243. Put a 2-7 Leupold on it and it be the perfect deer, pig, coyote gun.
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                          • #73
                            plumbum
                            Calguns Addict
                            • May 2010
                            • 5394

                            Don’t waste time and money on a rifle that isn’t useful for what you want: get a .308, .270 or .30-06 and a decent piece of glass.

                            I started with a 7mm Mag (dumb idea) moved into a .243 (great, but not enough) then finally settled on a .30-06. I wasted a lot of $ to play with .25-06, .30-30, .44, 8x57, 7x57, .223, .45-70, .22 Hornet, .30 Carbine, 7.62x39, .357 and 9mm. There is a reason everyone recommends .308/.30-06 - because they are the right tool for the job.
                            Last edited by plumbum; 12-31-2018, 9:51 AM.
                            Originally posted by ysr_racer
                            Please don't bring logic and reason into an interwebs discussion

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                            • #74
                              RNE228
                              Senior Member
                              • Oct 2013
                              • 2458

                              This is good advice. If you are going to scope the rifle, get decent glass.

                              Glass that fogs easily, or glares when looking where sun is in your face is the pits when you're hunting. Or if it goes out of adjustment easily, or has poor low-light gathering for that early morning shot... Good glass and good mounts are well worth the $$.

                              It doesn't have to be super expensive high end. But not cheap stuff.

                              Same goes for camera lenses, spotting scope, binoc's... Don't put a $100 lens on the front of a $2500 camera body and expect a great picture...

                              Originally posted by plumbum
                              decent piece of glass.

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                              • #75
                                Paradiddle
                                Senior Member
                                • Dec 2003
                                • 1743

                                7mm-08. As effective as 270/30-06 with far less recoil and a short action.

                                While ammo may not be at the local walmart it will surly be at the local gun store. A very popular round. 140 grain and 160 grain pills are VERY effective.

                                IMO the Ruger American is the "best" of the entry level rifles, but if you can spring for a Tikka T3 you will NOT be disappointed. Then put a good scope on it and enjoy.

                                Jeff
                                Last edited by Paradiddle; 12-31-2018, 1:01 PM.

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