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  • kevins750
    Senior Member
    • Feb 2013
    • 1376

    Vertical stringing

    I am having an issue my .243. with this particular set up rifle,scope,front rest, rear bag, I always string my shots up and slightly to the right.

    So a few things first, I shoot left handed,rifle has select match barrel, vortex viper 6-18, dnz 1piece mount torqued 15lbs on the scope caps. Pillar bedded,free floated stock. I have never used another scope on this gun.

    It doesn't matter if I use noslers,Berger's,smk's in the 105-108gr or imr/H 4350 , h100v, varget , h4831 almost always shoots the same.

    Below is a picture of the shots and my set up
    Last edited by kevins750; 03-21-2023, 7:28 AM.
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    baih777
    CGN/CGSSA Contributor
    CGN Contributor
    • Jul 2011
    • 5680

    Is that stock from Richards ?
    Been gone too long. It's been 15 to 20 years since i had to shelf my guns. Those early years sucked.
    I really miss the good old Pomona Gun Shows.
    I'm Back.

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    • #3
      baih777
      CGN/CGSSA Contributor
      CGN Contributor
      • Jul 2011
      • 5680

      Have you annealed the brass ?
      Been gone too long. It's been 15 to 20 years since i had to shelf my guns. Those early years sucked.
      I really miss the good old Pomona Gun Shows.
      I'm Back.

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      • #4
        pennstater
        Veteran Member
        • Aug 2010
        • 4656

        Thinking Hairball may be on to something here. Excellent read.

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        • #5
          kevins750
          Senior Member
          • Feb 2013
          • 1376

          Originally posted by baih777
          Is that stock from Richards ?
          Boyds pro varmit, pillars installed and bedded by a smith...
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          "Get yourself a Glock and lose that nickel plated sissy pistol" -------Deputy Samuel Gerard

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          • #6
            kevins750
            Senior Member
            • Feb 2013
            • 1376

            Originally posted by baih777
            Have you annealed the brass ?
            New lapua brass.
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            • #7
              Fjold
              I need a LIFE!!
              • Oct 2005
              • 22908

              As long as you are consistent, grip and face pressure, shoulder contact point, etc. I would then look at the consistent rifle position on the bags. That stock is tapered under the butt and on the forearm. It will string vertically if the stock is in a different position between shots or the bags move between shots.
              Frank

              One rifle, one planet, Holland's 375




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              • #8
                kevins750
                Senior Member
                • Feb 2013
                • 1376

                I am not consistent for sure.....and it is plenty accurate for me, just hoping it isn't the barrel or scope.
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                • #9
                  baih777
                  CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                  CGN Contributor
                  • Jul 2011
                  • 5680

                  When it happen to me. My front rest was moving back aftter each shot.
                  I lean into the butt.pad more.
                  Been gone too long. It's been 15 to 20 years since i had to shelf my guns. Those early years sucked.
                  I really miss the good old Pomona Gun Shows.
                  I'm Back.

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                  • #10
                    kevins750
                    Senior Member
                    • Feb 2013
                    • 1376

                    Originally posted by baih777
                    When it happen to me. My front rest was moving back aftter each shot.
                    I lean into the butt.pad more.
                    i push the spikes into the table slightly but I guess it could still move.....

                    I could be "releasing" the rear bag before I should...
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                    "Get yourself a Glock and lose that nickel plated sissy pistol" -------Deputy Samuel Gerard

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                    • #11
                      LynnJr
                      Calguns Addict
                      • Jan 2013
                      • 7957

                      Kevin
                      Using your right hand pinch the stock between your thumb and first finger and rest the back of your hand against the front rest.
                      You are pinning the front of the stock into the bag but not crushing it.
                      Next loosen up your rest stop and start using it!!!
                      Start it at maximum length forward or away from the action.
                      If your groups don't improve take the stop off and move the rest rearward about 2 inches and try a second five shot group.
                      If the vertical doesn't go away and your sure everything is tight and the scope isn't junk add 0.2 grains to your existing load and see what happens.
                      If the group gets smaller keep going if it doesn't change your primers are no good or the bedding isn't good.
                      The simplest way to check bedding is to put your finger against the barrel and the forend while tightening the action screws.
                      If you feel movement something is wrong.
                      Lynn Dragoman, Jr.
                      Southwest Regional Director
                      Unlimited Range Shooters Association (URSA)
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                      • #12
                        kevins750
                        Senior Member
                        • Feb 2013
                        • 1376

                        Originally posted by LynnJr
                        Kevin
                        Using your right hand pinch the stock between your thumb and first finger and rest the back of your hand against the front rest.
                        You are pinning the front of the stock into the bag but not crushing it.
                        Next loosen up your rest stop and start using it!!!
                        Start it at maximum length forward or away from the action.
                        If your groups don't improve take the stop off and move the rest rearward about 2 inches and try a second five shot group.
                        If the vertical doesn't go away and your sure everything is tight and the scope isn't junk add 0.2 grains to your existing load and see what happens.
                        If the group gets smaller keep going if it doesn't change your primers are no good or the bedding isn't good.
                        The simplest way to check bedding is to put your finger against the barrel and the forend while tightening the action screws.
                        If you feel movement something is wrong.
                        On your first instruction do you want me to shoot while "pinching" the rifle in the front rest?
                        "To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical." Thomas Jefferson
                        NRA+CRPA member

                        "Get yourself a Glock and lose that nickel plated sissy pistol" -------Deputy Samuel Gerard

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                        • #13
                          baih777
                          CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                          CGN Contributor
                          • Jul 2011
                          • 5680

                          Is there a bipod stud on the front of the stock ?
                          Been gone too long. It's been 15 to 20 years since i had to shelf my guns. Those early years sucked.
                          I really miss the good old Pomona Gun Shows.
                          I'm Back.

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                          • #14
                            Fjold
                            I need a LIFE!!
                            • Oct 2005
                            • 22908

                            Originally posted by kevins750
                            I am not consistent for sure.....and it is plenty accurate for me, just hoping it isn't the barrel or scope.
                            You can only adjust one thing at a time and with me it's always been consistent technique as my weak point. I learned a long time ago that I would never be among the elite of the world class shooters because of my own consistency issues.

                            Whether it's reloading or shooting you have to do the exact same things every time before you can wring that last .1" or .2" out of your equipment and loads.
                            Frank

                            One rifle, one planet, Holland's 375




                            Life Member NRA, CRPA and SAF

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                            • #15
                              LynnJr
                              Calguns Addict
                              • Jan 2013
                              • 7957

                              Kevin
                              Your thumb and forefinger grip the forend and you exert moderate downward and forward force against the back of your rest.

                              And yes no swivels allowed when your shooting from a rest!!!

                              And don't be afraid to try a Magnum primer. Gail Root at Nosler told me to use them in the 6BR a long long time ago and they are now what half the shooters are using and that case hold 15 grains less powder than yours.
                              Picture your groups without the vertical that thing is going to shoot.
                              Lynn Dragoman, Jr.
                              Southwest Regional Director
                              Unlimited Range Shooters Association (URSA)
                              www.unlimitedrange.org
                              Not a commercial business.
                              URSA - Competition starts at 2000 yards!

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