Anyone use a lever gun as a primary home defense gun?

[HUTCH 7.62]

How about a lever action shot gun?

https://youtu.be/E8OsYE8kiqg

Perfect for the L.A scene

[pennstater]

Most here get what we're talking about, one doesn't seem to grasp the situational facts. Let that one stew in his own juices. Gads, this has made me thirsty. And hungry. Better half is cooking up quail tacos. Being Asian, she cooks some mighty fine south of the border food. Beer time!

[LynnJr]

OP
Get a short barrel shotgun with cylinder bore or improved cylinder choke and use plain old #8 shot for home defense.
If someone breaks into your home the most important thing you can do is to actually hit them.
The posters talking ballistics and single projectiles have most likely never fired a gun at 4 AM in total dark conditions. The flash blinds you and the sound of a single round shuts down your hearing for half an hour.
You want the biggest field of fire possible.

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OP
Get a short barrel shotgun with cylinder bore or improved cylinder choke and use plain old #8 shot for home defense.
If someone breaks into your home the most important thing you can do is to actually hit them.
The posters talking ballistics and single projectiles have most likely never fired a gun at 4 AM in total dark conditions. The flash blinds you and the sound of a single round shuts down your hearing for half an hour.
You want the biggest field of fire possible.

Yep, so it will liquify the volume of a beer can inside an attacker.

[ChuckDizzle]

OP
Get a short barrel shotgun with cylinder bore or improved cylinder choke and use plain old #8 shot for home defense.
If someone breaks into your home the most important thing you can do is to actually hit them.
The posters talking ballistics and single projectiles have most likely never fired a gun at 4 AM in total dark conditions. The flash blinds you and the sound of a single round shuts down your hearing for half an hour.
You want the biggest field of fire possible.

Lol, so much bad info here.

I fired my rifle plenty of times in the dark...but I usually had a mounted light or night vision goggles.

Birdshot is for birds, it doesn't penetrate deep enough to produce involuntary stops.

Shotgun pattern spread at home defense distances is smaller than you see in movies or video games. It usually spreads about the size of a fist, or the distance between two buttons on a shirt. You aim a shotgun like a rifle for defense.

A 9mm handgun, .223 rifle, and 12g shotgun all are within 5 decibels of each other. All are incredibly loud, so loud you won't notice a difference without ear pro...it's like me asking you to know the difference between 700lbs and 725 lbs on a barbell, you can't lift either so you'll never know the difference.

[ChuckDizzle]

Yep, so it will liquify the volume of a beer can inside an attacker.

Lol more like the depth and volume of a teacup or small coffee mug with #8.

[ChuckDizzle]

A lot of guys are, the mall-ninja meme came from somewhere right?

Still a bad semi-auto beats a finely made manual loading rifle for defense.

[LynnJr]

Lots of uninformed posters here is what I am seeing.
At home defense distances there is not much of any pattern at all but as most here don't shoot much you don't know what you don't know.
An ounce and a eight of #8 shot at 10 yards will stop anyone and it will do it much better than any 240 grain slug out if a pistol. Again you don't know what you don't know because you don't shoot much if at all.
When you get hit by a shotgun at close range it hits with so much energy that it pushes your guts into your upper torso and collapses your lungs and it does that at longer distances than are normal for home defense.
Again none of you has ever been shot so you simply don't know what you don't know.
The picture is what your stomach looks like after a month and two surgeries and wearing heavy clothing.
BUT
As this is CalGuns please continue to post drivel without any first hand experience at all. It is fun reading about ballistics at 5 yards.
OP
Nobody posting here would be standing upright after being hit at home defense distances with number 8 shot. I was shot at close range but longer away than most houses are long.

[splithoof]

Still a bad semi-auto beats a finely made manual loading rifle for defense.

That assumes that the bad semi will function when needed beyond the first shot.
Being that most self defense engagements in the civilian world are resolved with relatively few rounds, I think arguing down the capacity road is a bit down the list. IMO, what needs to be considered prior is the level of good training that can be had in the use of the tool chosen.

[kayaker]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaR1EVybUgc

Apparently, #4 birdshot is a decent home defense option.

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That assumes that the bad semi will function when needed beyond the first shot.
Being that most self defense engagements in the civilian world are resolved with relatively few rounds, I think arguing down the capacity road is a bit down the list. IMO, what needs to be considered prior is the level of good training that can be had in the use of the tool chosen.

In CA most people will only have 10 shot mags. My Rossi 92 45 Colt holds 11+1 so capacity isn't even an argument. If you can't take care of the problem in most HD situations with 12 45 Colt bullets a quick mag change isn't going to do you any good.


Many shotguns only hold 6 shots and people recommend them for HD all the time.

[Deedle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaR1EVybUgc

Apparently, #4 birdshot is a decent home defense option.

Well I wouldn't want to be shot with that or anything really but I'd go #4 buckshot instead myself.

[pennstater]

Geezus! This has become to damn much. Nobody here or anywhere wants to get hit with any damn thing any of us are typing about. We are talking about what any of us use for HD/SD, period. Some of you people need to get a grip.
The people I'm in agreement with know who they are. Some others are simply pissing up a rope. Good Lord!

[ChuckDizzle]

In CA most people will only have 10 shot mags. My Rossi 92 45 Colt holds 11+1 so capacity isn't even an argument. If you can't take care of the problem in most HD situations with 12 45 Colt bullets a quick mag change isn't going to do you any good.


Many shotguns only hold 6 shots and people recommend them for HD all the time.

Sure, a 6 capacity shotgun and a lever gun are certainly far from useless, and much better than a sharpened stick.

But in a life or death scenario I'm looking to tilt the table in my favor as much as possible. For me, that's a lightweight AR 15 loaded with xm193. As fun as my bolt action rifles are they simply aren't the best tool for the job.

People also recommend crazy stuff all the time like pistols and shotguns for over penetration concerns, or #8 birdshot for self defense. People still think shotguns spread like crazy and you don't have to aim.

[golfish]

The people I'm in agreement with know who they are. Some others are simply pissing up a rope. Good Lord!

lol, trolls got to troll