224 Valkyrie any comments?

[Trakker]

Is it worth it to tool up for this round?


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[ar15barrels]

Not in a manually operated rifle.
It does not do anything that a 22-250 doesn't do better.

[sigstroker]

Except shoot 90-100 gr bullets.

[NorCalFocus]

Except shoot 90-100 gr bullets.

And why can't you shoot those in a 22-250?

[MongooseV8]

All a 22-250 needs is a faster twist and a longer throat to shoot these new heavy bullets.

[Californio]

Is not a .224V intended for small frame SA, I would prefer a 6.5CM in a bolt gun.

I also wonder about the .224V parent case, 6.8SPC, did not LWRC create a non-milspec lower, magazine pocket, to run the 6.8SPC correctly, with a custom PMAG, is the .224V going to have the same issue in a mil spec lower.

Just run a 6.5CM, it barely kicks.

[russ69]

And why can't you shoot those in a 22-250?

Factory specs to factory specs, the 22-250 normal twist rate is too slow for heavy (long range) bullets. Same deal with 243 WIN vs 6mm Creedmoor, very similar except for twist rate.

[NorCalFocus]

All a 22-250 needs is a faster twist and a longer throat to shoot these new heavy bullets.

Factory specs to factory specs, the 22-250 normal twist rate is too slow for heavy (long range) bullets. Same deal with 243 WIN vs 6mm Creedmoor, very similar except for twist rate.

Well there ya go. I learned something today.

[TMB 1]

http://www.accurateshooter.com/cartridge-guides/22-250/

[sigstroker]

Is not a .224V intended for small frame SA, I would prefer a 6.5CM in a bolt gun.

Ooh, that's something I hadn't thought of - a Howa mini-action in Valkyrie. I have one in .223. Wonder if the bolt face can be opened up enough to accomodate.

I also wonder about the .224V parent case, 6.8SPC, did not LWRC create a non-milspec lower, magazine pocket, to run the 6.8SPC correctly, with a custom PMAG, is the .224V going to have the same issue in a mil spec lower.

Just run a 6.5CM, it barely kicks.

I don't keep up with the SPC thing, so I had not heard of that. Is the mag wider?

Wasn't the SPC developed for the military to retro-fit M16's? Seems like it would need to work in an ordinary magwell.

[ar15barrels]

Ooh, that's something I hadn't thought of - a Howa mini-action in Valkyrie. I have one in .223. Wonder if the bolt face can be opened up enough to accomodate.

Just use a 6.5grenade bolt.
It's only about 0.020" oversize for a 6.8 case head and should work if the extractor has enough extra travel.

I don't keep up with the SPC thing, so I had not heard of that. Is the mag wider?

Wasn't the SPC developed for the military to retro-fit M16's? Seems like it would need to work in an ordinary magwell.

The INSIDE of the magazine is wider to accept the larger diameter cartridges.
The outside of the magazine is the same size as a standard 5.56 stanag magazine.

[NapalmCheese]

I don't know why anyone would want a .224v in a bolt gun.

If you want to shoot light bullets faster, get a 22-250, if you want to shoot heavier bullets for game animals in a tiny action, shoot a 6.5G or find a WSSM.

I guess if you wanted to shoot light bullets faster in a tiny action?

I suppose from a hunting standpoint the .224V makes the 70 grain Barnes TSX a decent option for places that allow hunting big game with centerfire .22s.

[ar15barrels]

I don't know why anyone would want a .224v in a bolt gun.

If you want to shoot light bullets faster, get a 22-250, if you want to shoot heavier bullets for game animals in a tiny action, shoot a 6.5G or find a WSSM.

I agree.
The 90-100gr bullets from a 224v do NOTHING better than the 90-150gr bullets in a 6mm or 6.5mm out of a short action bolt rifle in 6br, 6cm or 6.5cm.

[sigstroker]

I don't know why anyone would want a .224v in a bolt gun.

If you want to shoot light bullets faster, get a 22-250, if you want to shoot heavier bullets for game animals in a tiny action, shoot a 6.5G or find a WSSM.

I guess if you wanted to shoot light bullets faster in a tiny action?

No, just the opposite. Long heavy bullets in a low recoil platform for PRS. I can imagine gaming a match (I come from IPSC) that has no targets beyond 1100 or 1200 yards where a Valkyrie might be the choice. I have a 6.5 CM for longer range matches. I have not been to any of the matches in this area - it might be that none of the matches shoot beyond 1200.

I agree.
The 90-100gr bullets from a 224v do NOTHING better than the 90-150gr bullets in a 6mm or 6.5mm out of a short action bolt rifle in 6br, 6cm or 6.5cm.

Cost less. Recoil less.

[NapalmCheese]

No, just the opposite. Long heavy bullets in a low recoil platform for PRS.

So that's the thing, I don't see the point in a .224V for PRS when you could just shoot .243 or 6CM; unless the point is to put it in an action shorter than a shorter action.

I don't shoot PRS, but I looked at the rules once for the gas guns and .224V seems like a waste (has to run with the big boys). If the bolt gun rules allow the .224V to run with the 5.56 rifles (if there is even a class for that) then I could see the benefit. However if the .224V has to run with the 6CMs, etc., I don't see the point. Why not just run the 6CM? If recoil is a problem why not just brake the CM?

Anyway, it just seems to me that the short action 6mms offer more advantages than disadvantages compared to the .224V, unless your ultimate goal is weight reduction. How much less can .224V possibly cost? How much less recoil can it possibly produce shooting 90-100 grain bullets?

I'm just bench racing here, I don't play these games so I'm probably missing something.

That being said I'm excited to see more mini-actions come out. As someone who reloads for a WSSM, I'm noticing increased availability of components (specifically brass) which I suppose could be attributable to people looking at what other mini actions (or super short actions) might have already been done. Or maybe I'm just getting lucky all the sudden.