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  • EMR
    Senior Member
    • Mar 2008
    • 1023

    *fixed* Win AE 1894 FTF

    Hi guys,

    I picked up a new to me Winchester 1894 AE in 30-30. This is my first lever action so I'm pretty clueless with these things. Manually cycling different types of ammo, 90% of them end up in a failure to feed.

    The round is able to eject from the tube and onto the carrier. The carrier lifts the round with the cartridge nose pointed to the chamber. The problem starts when the bolt pushes the cartridge forward, the cartridge gets stuck at an angle. If I move the bolt back a smidge, it seems the carrier is able to pop the round up and I can close the action and feed the round.

    I don't think the nose is getting jammed into the chamber as there are no obvious marks on the bullet itself, but after some online research I believe the rim may be getting caught on the ejector guides. I think there may be a gouge on the corner of the left ejector guide.

    Can anyone shine any light on the matter?

    Thanks for any help!
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    kendog4570
    Calguns Addict
    • Dec 2008
    • 5180

    Are those plastic tipped bullets in your first picture? Some lever guns do not like them. Have you tried regular JFP's?

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    • #3
      EMR
      Senior Member
      • Mar 2008
      • 1023

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        EMR
        Senior Member
        • Mar 2008
        • 1023

        Update:

        So what I noticed was that if I slowly closed the action, sometimes the rim of the case would pop up high enough to clear the gouge in the ejector guide. Then the cartridge would feed normally and the bolt would close just fine.

        Other times, I would slowly close the bolt and watch the rim of the case not pop up and head straight for the gouge and get stuck in it. If I released pressure on the lever, the cartridge would pop up and ride over the gouge and feed like normal.

        I decided to take it apart and see if I could see anything out of the ordinary. Sure enough, the left sided ejector guide had a huge gouge in it. The right one had a smaller one.

        I decided to try my luck and ordered a used left ejector guide from Numrich. Hopefully it'll solve my problem.

        I'm just wondering if the ejector guide isn't the problem and the carrier isn't lifting the rear of the case high enough to cause the case rim to smash into the ejector guide in the first place.

        Anyone have any thoughts?
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        • #5
          kendog4570
          Calguns Addict
          • Dec 2008
          • 5180

          Polish and lightly blend the gouges, then try it.
          Why mess around with GPC may-be-junk parts? Midwest has new OEM ones for $19.00
          Check out the deal on Winchester M-94 Cartridge Guide - Left at MGW

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          • #6
            ar15barrels
            I need a LIFE!!
            • Jan 2006
            • 57124

            Originally posted by EMR
            I picked up a new to me Winchester 1894 AE in 30-30.
            This is my first lever action so I'm pretty clueless with these things.
            Manually cycling different types of ammo, 90% of them end up in a failure to feed.
            Originally posted by EMR
            So what I noticed was that if I slowly closed the action, sometimes the rim of the case would pop up high enough to clear the gouge in the ejector guide.
            Then the cartridge would feed normally and the bolt would close just fine.

            Other times, I would slowly close the bolt and watch the rim of the case not pop up and head straight for the gouge and get stuck in it.
            If I released pressure on the lever, the cartridge would pop up and ride over the gouge and feed like normal.

            Anyone have any thoughts?
            These guns were not designed to function SLOW.
            Cycle them like you were actually shooting.
            You should be completing the full opening and closing of the lever in 3/4 of a second to maybe 1 second.
            If you are spending several seconds to cycle the action and look at it, the ammo is floating around and doing things it does not have time to do when cycled properly.
            Last edited by ar15barrels; 02-19-2018, 6:28 PM.
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            • #7
              EMR
              Senior Member
              • Mar 2008
              • 1023

              Originally posted by kendog4570
              Polish and lightly blend the gouges, then try it.
              Why mess around with GPC may-be-junk parts? Midwest has new OEM ones for $19.00
              https://www.midwestgunworks.com/page/mgwi/prod/W94CGL
              Originally posted by ar15barrels
              These guns were not designed to function SLOW.
              Cycle them like you were actually shooting.
              You should be completing the full opening and closing of the lever in 3/4 of a second to maybe 1 second.
              If you are spending several seconds to cycle the action and look at it, the ammo is floating around and doing things it does not have time to do when cycled properly.

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              • #8
                ar15barrels
                I need a LIFE!!
                • Jan 2006
                • 57124

                Randall Rausch

                AR work: www.ar15barrels.com
                Bolt actions: www.700barrels.com
                Foreign Semi Autos: www.akbarrels.com
                Barrel, sight and trigger work on most pistols and shotguns.
                Most work performed while-you-wait.

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                • #9
                  EMR
                  Senior Member
                  • Mar 2008
                  • 1023



                  [emoji1360] thanks!

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                    EMR
                    Senior Member
                    • Mar 2008
                    • 1023

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