224 Valkyrie

[tsoiky]

[NorCalFocus]

Not worth putting in a bolt gun IMO. Yes it's hotter and faster than .223, but your not gaining anything over a 6mm or 6.5mm round. The round has been designed to get you 6mm type performance from a AR15 frame. That is its advantage.

[sigstroker]

The main advantages are supposed to be lower recoil and less wind effect because of it's smaller diameter. Also less weight in the rifle if you use mini-actions like Howa has. The differences will be small but in competition you take every advantage you can get. How can you tell for sure it's worth it? You'll see pros gravitate towards it.

[1859sharps]

How can you tell for sure it's worth it? You'll see pros gravitate towards it.

That is almost a chicken an egg problem. but it is also not necessarily the best way to decide if you want to use a new cambering/cartridge. just depends on the individual.

first issue...pros...which pros? different shooting interests have different pros. the pros from say the Precision Rifle Series may have a different take then the pros from high power and so on. which is where the chicken and egg issue comes from. If the cartridge has little or no value to shooters in PRS, then you won't see "the pros" playing with it. If you make your decisions based on what the "pros of PRS" do...but you don't play their game... you could be missing out on some thing that might be just the thing for what you are doing, the type of shooting you are engaging in.

Then existing pros aside, the way you become a pro is to experiment and try things out. develop knowledge etc. to the op...if you are that interested in 224 Valkyrie, the type person who likes to try things out, experiment, explore, then don't wait for someone else's opinion...go try it out and become the "guy" to ask about 224 Valkyrie.

[diver160651]

You'll see pros gravitate towards it.

Gas gun guys - surely - bolt guys not so much.

Most of the long range self spotting needs have come from the field sports in position for shooting. Events styled like NRL and PRS and a few of the sniper challenges.

With the 224 @ only 90grn despite the generous .56BC is going to only be in the 2700is velocity range. That is certainly going to make getting a visual on some of the longer 12 and 1400 yards plates seen some of these patches difficult.

Why would a guy shooting 105 6mm at 3150 downgrade?

Recoil so minor already.





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[LynnJr]

The only think NEW about the 224 Valkyrie is the availability of factory ammunition.

The reloader/wildcatter has always had the option of using the 90 grain bullet at much higher velocity than the 224 Valkyrie.

We used to shoot 22-06 in 15-16 twist barrels at as much velocity as the bullets would take.

In the short actions the 22-243 and 22-284 have been around for a long time now.

[TMB 1]

Why not a 6mm Hagar? Wouldn't it be better?

[ocabj]

I have an ARC Nucleus on pre-order and even though I ordered it with a standard .308 style bolt face, I am debating on getting a .224 Valkyrie bolt face just to try out the cartridge. I was debating on a building a bolt .223 to shoot 90gr, but given .224 Valkyrie debuted, it looks like an interesting chambering to mess with.

I already run 6mm Creedmoor and 6.5mm Creedmoor. I have always been intrigued with 90gr 22cal ever since I was shooting Service Rifle.

[ar15barrels]

If you already have a 6.5 and a 223 and are staying with a bolt action, the 224 valkrie brings nothing to the table.
223 beats it on ammo availability, cost and lower recoil.
6.5 creedmore beats it on ballistic performance.

The only reason for a 224 valkrie is if you want it in an AR.
Once you leave the AR's limited OAL of 2.25" behind, the doors to better cartridges open up.

[ar15barrels]

How can you tell for sure it's worth it?
You'll see pros gravitate towards it.

It is highly unlikely that any pros will move to it for competition.
It does not perform as well as the cartridges that the pros are using now.

[deadcoyote]

Just my not too educated two cents but if you really want to specifically shoot 90 grain projectiles at a high speed and you're not hung up on it fitting in an AR pattern magwell just buy a .243 and have decades of load data and knowledge already available.

[eric n]

I wonder what a few mag dumps will do to a barrel? That long bearing surface of the 90s isn't going to be heat
friendly.
I know I wouldn't be able to resist squeezing a bunch off

[diver160651]

224 Valkyrie

I wonder what a few mag dumps will do to a barrel? That long bearing surface of the 90s isn't going to be heat

friendly.

I know I wouldn't be able to resist squeezing a bunch off

[eric n]

It won't be that bad... it's California! It's only $12.50 a pop. Haha
The problem like Randall and I believe you stated is this; if a guy uses it for competing, i.e. PRS, you can't see splash very well. I've shot a lot of 90s at higher velocity then the Valkyrie. The shooter will see trace if conditions are right, they will see their own impact but those .22 bullets don't shake the gong like a 6mm does. If the ground is damp, it's hard to see a miss and if you hit a beat up gong, a spotter can easily miss it and it's your word against his.
It's a cool round, I champion the 90s and their high bc a lot but i believe it will leave a prs guy lacking.

[diver160651]

224 Valkyrie

The shooter will see trace if conditions are right, they will see their own impact but those .22 bullets don't shake the gong like a 6mm does. If the ground is damp, it's hard to see a miss and if you hit a beat up gong, a spotter can easily miss it and it's your word against his.

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+1 ^



But adding just a bit of info.. as you mentioned it is fairly common to spot your own trace when conditions are perfect in your when scope when prone, very settled behind the gun and generally on higher magnification (of course I am not talking about 6lbs guns with a 300. Positional type shooting the gun moves around more under recoil, the shooter is in more of a hurry and most are generally down and on 12-15x.. So trace usually isn't something you'd see in your own scope for those types of conditions.



But if the hit is not seen, it isn't your word against the station RO.. It is only their word [emoji4]