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What trigger do you like for the 700, and why, update I got a 510
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What trigger do you like for the 700, and why, update I got a 510
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I like single lever triggers because they are more reliable.
Of all the aftermarket triggers out there, you can divide them into single lever and double lever designs.
Single lever designs do not allow as low of a pull weight adjustment as the trigger directly works against the sear.
Single lever triggers are easier to clear without disassembly of the gun if they become fouled with dirt.
Double levers have an extra lever between the trigger and sear with a very light spring.
This allows them to be adjusted to a lower pull weight.
The lever also can get stuck from dirt and you often have to disassemble the action from the stock and flush it out with lighter fluid to get it working again.
If a single lever gets stuck, you can clear it by simply pushing/pulling the trigger shoe forward/back a few times BECAUSE the trigger/sear are one piece.
That little floating sear arm is spring loaded and will stay stuck when you try to clear a 2 lever trigger the same way as a single lever.
Next is safety.
Because of the design, single lever triggers will fail in a way that does not let the gun fire.
Double lever triggers tend to fail in the fired state so the gun will fire as you close the bolt.
Last is the FEEL of the pull.
Single lever triggers have less trigger shoe travel than 2 lever triggers.
2 lever triggers are using a lever to gain mechanical advantage.
In order to get those lower pull weights, you compromise with more trigger shoe travel.
2 lever triggers feel mushy to me because of how they "roll" off.
Single lever triggers are crisper.
Of the single lever triggers, my preference is a Timney 510.Last edited by ar15barrels; 11-01-2017, 2:24 PM.Randall Rausch
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I have one rifle with the Shilen Standard, and another with the Timney 510. Both are around 2-1/2 lbs. I prefer the shoe on the Timney, it's a little wider than the Shilen. I have not had any issues with dust, even though it can be a bit dusty all day at Pendleton (and windy) on 103 Wilcox or 116A.Last edited by smoothy8500; 11-01-2017, 3:09 PM.Comment
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Timney 510 is pretty economical. You can find them $100 on sale all the time.Comment
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I'm also very happy with my Timney 510. Very crisp break, plenty light enough for target work, durable enough for use in the field.
Also have Randall do his "bolt job" once you have said trigger. He mates the trigger and firering pin release and it smooths out the closing of the bolt big time.Comment
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I have a Remington old style, Timney 510, Timney Calvin Elite, and Huber 2 stage. I like the Huber best, Calvin Elite second and the tuned Remington and Timney 510 seem about equal tie for third. Jewels are nice I just don’t happen to own one. I’m getting another Huber this week, my current one breaks about 3 lb, I’ll have the new one break at 1.5 lb. I prefer a lighter 2 stage trigger, my ideal is around 1 to 1.5 lb.
I once had Randall do his bolt handoff tuning, he used a die grinder and what looked like a 60 grit cutoff wheel to hack at the cocking piece. I replaced the cocking piece on my Defiance Deviant action soon after.Last edited by thegiff; 11-12-2017, 9:06 PM.So Cal Precision Rifle Team, NRA Life, WEGC Precision Bolt Rifle Director, NRL Member, Bolt Action Rifle Groupie, NRA Pistol Distinguished ExpertComment
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The Huber is a good trigger and has an ergonomical medium shoe but can suffer from a bit of mushiness and has some overtravel. (This is with factory adjusting it).
Timney has a wide trigger shoe and Randall can do a fabulous trigger job on it.
Jewell has a narrow shoe and can be adjusted to below both Timney or Huber without mushiness or overtravel.
I am very curious about the Bix n'Andy triggers. They have recently upgraded their sear to work better with custom actions.Comment
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I've only tried Jewell and Timney Calvin Elite. Of the two, I prefer the Jewell because it's a bit LESS crisp. I know everyone talks about how they want a super crisp snappy trigger. But I don't. I find the Timney is so snappy that it tends to move the rifle when it breaks because my finger is adding more and more pressure until it breaks and then... the built up force tends to push past the break. With the Jewell there is a very very very very slight movement or creep or mush or whatever you'd like to call it. And it for whatever reason it's still crisp and light, but it doesn't disturb the rifle when it breaks.
I also prefer how the trigger shoe feels against my finger with the Jewell.Comment
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jewellComment
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Timney Calven elite.
Easy to install.
Reliable.
Perfect lb for how I shoot.Comment
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I made a fixture to do it on the surface grinder quite a while ago.
It makes it much more controlled and consistent.
Yours must have been quite a while ago as I only did maybe a dozen rifles by hand before making the fixture.Randall Rausch
AR work: www.ar15barrels.com
Bolt actions: www.700barrels.com
Foreign Semi Autos: www.akbarrels.com
Barrel, sight and trigger work on most pistols and shotguns.
Most work performed while-you-wait.Comment
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I've used factory 700 and 40X, Jewell, Timney 510 and Calvin Elite, Huber, Rifle Basix, Shilen, Bix n Andy and probably one or two I can't remember. When set up properly Jewell, Huber and BnA are world class triggers the rest all fall short. Pro's and cons, Jewell's are fragil if you blank a primer. Huber's have to be sent back to change any adjustment including pull weight, but are very nice triggers. Bix n Andy, very expensive for the target model but about $235 for the Tac Sport, easily adjustable and have an excellent break. My best rifles now only wear Jewell and BnA.Comment
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If you are shooting 600-1000 yards from a bench Flavio Fare Bix&Andy and Jewell rule the roost. Shilen and Rifle Basix come in right behind them.
These are all extremely light pull weight triggers but once you get used to them you will never go back.
If this is a PRS or Tactical build don't take my advice as that is not my cup of tea.
The picture shows a Bix&Andy on my primary hunting rifle plus a Jewell and Timney.
The why is simple math.
If your pulling on a 5 pound trigger the muzzle will move more than if your pulling on a 2 pound trigger. As you go lighter and lighter on the pull weight you don't pull the rifle off of your point of aim as much thus you end up with better groups.
I don't own any two stage triggers and very few semi autos because they all feel like a huge bowl of mush to me.Last edited by LynnJr; 02-10-2018, 6:58 PM.Lynn Dragoman, Jr.
Southwest Regional Director
Unlimited Range Shooters Association (URSA)
www.unlimitedrange.org
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