Finally Bought SPS

[lswanie]

Alright, time to order a stock. Redhawk Rifles now has the same M5 DBM combo deal with the Terrain model.



However, now I am a little hot on the Renegade. It weighs less apparently, but is definitely less stream lined at a glance.




Realistically what do you guys think of the two stock designs pros and cons?

[MissiontoMars]

Are those Greyboe's

[NorCalFocus]

The Renegade shape is designed more for precision/tactical shooting. The Terrain is a classic shape for hunting rifles.

The one downfall is your going to need to do something to get the cheek height up still. (unless your running a small diameter scope as low as possible) A stock pack is $30 and can work, but it also is bulky and can push your face off to the side. A Kydex over piece also works but also add more bulk and will push your face off to the side. This will also require you to drill through the stock. Pretty simple and can be done at home. The best choice is to have the buttstock cut and have Loggerhead or similar hardware put in. That will give you an intergrated cheek piece. It also cost you about $200, and you can't do it yourself.

That said, look at this Bell and Carlson https://www.stockysstocks.com/stocks...ion-stock.html

It comes inletted for a M5 bottom metal and with the intergrated cheek piece. Yes you'll have to buy the bottom metal. But a PT&G can be had for about $100

[lswanie]

The Renegade shape is designed more for precision/tactical shooting. The Terrain is a classic shape for hunting rifles.

The one downfall is your going to need to do something to get the cheek height up still. (unless your running a small diameter scope as low as possible) A stock pack is $30 and can work, but it also is bulky and can push your face off to the side. A Kydex over piece also works but also add more bulk and will push your face off to the side. This will also require you to drill through the stock. Pretty simple and can be done at home. The best choice is to have the buttstock cut and have Loggerhead or similar hardware put in. That will give you an intergrated cheek piece. It also cost you about $200, and you can't do it yourself.

That said, look at this Bell and Carlson https://www.stockysstocks.com/stocks...ion-stock.html

It comes inletted for a M5 bottom metal and with the intergrated cheek piece. Yes you'll have to buy the bottom metal. But a PT&G can be had for about $100

I think I will stick with the renegade design, it just looks easier to manage, especially for someone who has shot regular old rifles for 25 years.

I am also considering getting another set of scope rings or base to see if I can lower the scope a little bit, but was going to do this after attaching the new stock, as my cheek will rest on either one of these higher than it does on the current Hogue, I think.

Does it make more sense to raise my eye level with the scope, or to lower the scope to my eye level (if possible). Am I going to need one of those options you mentioned either way? Grabbing a second set of rings and a mount to play with costs about the same as the options above. Feel like I might have asked this already in so many ways.

Trying to nail the buy once cry once. That B and C looks great, but I like the simpler designs. I was originally saving up for a McMillan M40A1 replica stock, to put things in perspective. I will never cry that much though, so not waiting to plunk down that kind of cash on a stock at this point in life.

[NorCalFocus]

I think I will stick with the renegade design, it just looks easier to manage, especially for someone who has shot regular old rifles for 25 years.

I am also considering getting another set of scope rings or base to see if I can lower the scope a little bit, but was going to do this after attaching the new stock, as my cheek will rest on either one of these higher than it does on the current Hogue, I think.

Does it make more sense to raise my eye level with the scope, or to lower the scope to my eye level (if possible). Am I going to need one of those options you mentioned either way? Grabbing a second set of rings and a mount to play with costs about the same as the options above. Feel like I might have asked this already in so many ways.

Trying to nail the buy once cry once. That B and C looks great, but I like the simpler designs. I was originally saving up for a McMillan M40A1 replica stock, to put things in perspective. I will never cry that much though, so not waiting to plunk down that kind of cash on a stock at this point in life.

What size/what scope do you have?

[lswanie]

What size/what scope do you have?

it is a 4-16x44

Edit: It is a Vortex Viper HS-T MRAD

[NorCalFocus]

it is a 4-16x44



Edit: It is a Vortex Viper HS-T MRAD

Very unlikely that you'll get it low enough to not need some sort of cheek riser.

Get the Renagade and throw a stock pack in it for now. It's a non permanent solution till you decide to spend the money on getting it done right.

[lswanie]

Very unlikely that you'll get it low enough to not need some sort of cheek riser.

Get the Renagade and throw a stock pack in it for now. It's a non permanent solution till you decide to spend the money on getting it done right.

Would a stock pack be a viable option for the Terrain as well? Noticed the butt of the stock is not flat and parallel with the rest of the stock like the Renegade.

Thanks for the pointers.

[NorCalFocus]

Would a stock pack be a viable option for the Terrain as well? Noticed the butt of the stock is not flat and parallel with the rest of the stock like the Renegade.



Thanks for the pointers.

Yup it would work the same.

Another thing I thought of, get some hard foam to put under the stock pack to give a solid weld on.

[lswanie]

Well, after some thinking, I realized I don't really want a DBM all that much, and the money could be better spent on an actual McMillan stock. I always wanted an M40A1 styled stock, and they cost about the same as either of the Greyboes with the DBM set up.

https://redhawkrifles.com/products/rifle-stocks-mcmillan-stocks-remington-short-action/mcmillan/mcmillan-m40a1-htg-rem-700-s-2

One thing I noticed though, comparing it to the similarly shaped Greyboe Terrain, is that the McMillan only has the one front stud, whereas the Greyboe has 2.

There are also a couple models similar to this one below (Gamehunter), it has a raised cheek rest and appears to be a bit shorter the the M40a1 stock. It also only weighs 1.7 lbs, which might be too light. The M40 and Greyboe Terrain both weigh about the same as the Hogue the rifle comes with (~2.5 lbs). Think this would still need a stock pack, or would that built in cheek piece do the job? Would it potentially put the eye too high? Here is the link.

https://redhawkrifles.com/products/rifle-stocks-free-shipping-orders-over-199-mcmillan-stocks-remington-short-action/mcmilla-0

[NorCalFocus]

That one is a bit higher, but I doubt that it's going to be high enough. It will likely need a stock pack.

[alexisjohnson]

Shoot 1k rounds through it first. Then start the upgrade process

[lswanie]

Shoot 1k rounds through it first. Then start the upgrade process

I couldn't find an acceptable looking McMillan stock anywhere that had the extra quarter inch pull I need. At first I was a little frustrated, but not since actually speaking with McMillan; now I am very excited. Six months is probably plenty of time for me to accomplish shooting 1000 rounds, and I am going to do one better and just go ahead and hunt with it this year. If I want to learn all of the nuances of this rifle, walking through any kind of filled in forest on the east coast for 8 hours a day with the thing strapped to me is worth at least 50 rounds a day. I would argue any shot taken at a living moving target, at a hunting angle (aka as uncomfortable as humanly possible, yoga type stuff, it always seems to be this way over there) is also worth 50 shots at the range. Hope I get lots of those.

Funny, if one is going to buy a McMillan, just buy it from McMillan. I am paying an extra ~90 dollars (15% or so) to have the stock completely customized from the manufacturer, vs buying something thought up by someone else. They also have the same kind of customer service you expect from Rolex or high end car manufacturers. Yea it takes six months, but that is nothing in the grand scheme of things.

On the flip side some of the retailers I tried working with are like buzzards on a dying price is right showbox winner. Redhawk was legitimately helpful, but some others made it way more confusing, and it almost seemed intentional. For example, having every stock outfitted to only accept extremely expensive bottom metal. Another insisted that I send them my rifle, so they could bed it properly...after doing a little reading, I think I am going to assemble it and shoot it some, before I actually bed it. Basically it seemed like they intentionally set up their selection of stocks to all require an additional 500-800 dollars to be finished.

Maybe it is just a coincidence, but a less conscientious consumer could easily drop 600 dollars thinking they just got a great "drop in" stock, only to realize they in fact have a lot of spending left to do. All sales are final in this case too so...

Anyhow, I am going deer hunting with the rifle, as is, starting next week. Hopefully I will have some pics of a buck (or doe, I will take anything I am allowed to this season, need jerky), way before I have a picture of the new stock