Run & Gun bolt action

[ExtremeX]

Here you go:

http://www.cdiprecisiongunworksstore.com/tikka-t3-short-action-dbm/

I have my .223 Tikka set up to use AICS mags. Works well. Here is a video of my .233

You are making me regret selling my 223 AICS magazines.

I have an AICS 2.0 that I used with a 308 and 223 Remington 700, but I decided to only keep the 308.

[HK Dave]

Marlin 336?

[JMP]

I think CZ makes something similar but I don't remember.

CZ 527?

http://cz-usa.com/product/cz-527-carbine-223-rem/

[splithoof]

So, what exactly do you mean by the term "run and gun"?....do you want something for general purpose, or something for a specific task?

[cyphr02]

Steyr Scout

Why look to anything else?

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Also works fine with a traditional scope/mount

[AGFNTB]

You could always go straight pull bolt action AR. Use all the lightweight AR pieces you want.

I built a straight pull using a Gibbz left side charging handle. It is actually quite fun.

[ExtremeX]

So, what exactly do you mean by the term "run and gun"?....do you want something for general purpose, or something for a specific task?

I do have a specific application in mind... but I said "run and gun" to help filter down on people recommending heavy chassis based rifles with long heavy barrels ideal for bench or prone shooting.

That said, I have been actually trying to run with my rifles as of late... trying to get the heart rate up, shooting, trying to make the shot count... all that jazz.

As for that specific task... I spend a lot of time in the desert... just looking for a general purpose rifle to take with me camping for personal protection. Something to keep in the truck as part of my kit when I off-road. Something I can sling up and hike with when I leave my truck without too much fuss.

Its not a shooting trip every time I go out there... so I dont want to load out heavy on the guns. 1 pistol, 1 rifle. Something I don't mind beating on...

Something that isn't an AR...

Looking for light weight
Something with a shorter barrel
Something that isn't too far into the heavy side of a barrel profile.
Something that would feel right with 1-4x scope on it.

[ExtremeX]

Why look to anything else?

Also works fine with a traditional scope/mount

I know myself... I am not going to leave that in my truck. Its too nice, and more than I want to spend.

But I love the thing.

[ExtremeX]

CZ 527?

http://cz-usa.com/product/cz-527-carbine-223-rem/

That's the one... very high on my list now...

Thanks for the link.

Has anyone used one, does it feel good, bolt cycle smooth? I'm guessing its a bit more refined than the Ruger Ranch?

[jon94520]

Get a 357 mag levergun. Plenty accurate, high ROF, easily scopeable. And if im not mistaken 357 out of a 20" barrel is comparable to 5.56.
Or a Ruger GSR, im personally gonna DROS one on Saturday.

[1859sharps]

I'm not explicitly looking for a scout rifle, I already have a scope I want to use and don't want to buy an extended eye relief optic... otherwise I would consider one. That said, I do have a red dot I can throw on it.

... BUT, this entire thing was kinda started by my admiration for the Steyr Scout. I've always liked the thing, think its a great rifle, I just dont feel like dropping that type of coin on one right now.

scouts can use "conventional" scopes. in fact it is an over looked characteristic that a scout should have the ability to mount a scope conventionally.

technically a scout rifle should have ghost ring "iron" sights, ability to have a forward mounted long eye relief scope AND be able to mount a conventional scope.

The ruger and steyr scout rifles can do this.

nothing says you have to use a "scout" rifle as a scout rifle...what ever that means....if it otherwise meets what you want.

however.... the remington 7, howa mini and the cz 527 are all possible light, quick, short rifles for "run and gun".

as for lever or pump.... bolt can be fast as or faster with less fragility.

[1859sharps]

Why look to anything else?

*pic of steyr scout*

Also works fine with a traditional scope/mount

Technically the steyr would be perfect for what the op is looking for. more I shoot mine, the less I find I am using my other rifles.

I am even giving thought to switching to a "conventional" 1-4 power scope due to declining distance vision.

the price might be a turn off, but it's got everything you could want in a general purpose rifle. though I have to say....price wise...Buds is selling them very cheap these days. mid 1300s and when you factor in a lot of the immediate things people do to a $600 rifle...it works out about the same.

the steyr is ready to go out of the box...just add scope and sling.

oh, on scopes I would stay away from anything over 33mm for the objective. a lot of the smaller 20 to 33 mm 1-4 is all you need if you don't want to go with a fixed or even a variable forward mounted. reason to stay away from the over 33mm....you lose the benefits of the ergonomics of the stock. the closer to the bore's axis you can mount the scope, the better.

red dots are also an option.

[ExtremeX]

1859sharps & cyphr02 ...

Thanks for that... good to know they can use conventional scopes, and after looking closer at pictures of the Steyr Scout its clear that there are provisions for regular optics.

I prefer a bolt over a lever or pump at this point... I am just familiar with it, and like the mechanical leverage of working the bolt when dealing with cartridges.

Im sure if I ever wanted to load up some zero headspace fire-formed cases into a bolt action I would have no problems, not sure how that would work out with a lever or pump.

[ExtremeX]

Get a 357 mag levergun. Plenty accurate, high ROF, easily scopeable. And if im not mistaken 357 out of a 20" barrel is comparable to 5.56.
Or a Ruger GSR, im personally gonna DROS one on Saturday.

I dunno about that one...

I get to shoot two different Henry 357 lever actions on a regular basis... and I just did that couple weeks ago in the desert.

I was throwing some 357 though my chrono and there was a pretty big velocity difference... 1500 FPS vs 3000 FPS ish.

Personally I would be much happier with the performance from a 223, but I do love shooting a 357 level action as well.

Pretty sure I can expect a much greater max effective range from the 223 especially if I up the ante on the bullets I use.

Its just not what I am looking for this time around, but it is a good recommendation.

[1859sharps]

those who really know bolt actions and have skills will tell you that they can work the bolt faster than a lever or pump can can even give semi autos a run for their money...provided your not trying to compete in a mag dump and actually care about hitting the target.

I am taking their word, but so far haven't experienced anything to make me doubt them.

The bolt gun is much more durable than a lever or pump action...at least in my opinion.