Bolt Action AR 15

[Bullets&Whitewalls]

I agree with you 100%, we have Common Sense and recognize that a Manual Rifle is a Manual Rifle......
But when has the State of California have any Common Sense in it's law making process....... look who's running this place..... Common sense is now a myth for the Mythbusters to prove it's existance.....

Sad but true. I would watch that episode for sure though.

[Saym14]

i like it

[kbstingwing]

I started this thread on this discussion about the possible DOJ legality issues of the bolt action AR, we can take all questions and replies to this thread

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=1302038

[echo884]

Here's my manual AR build. UMOS kit from CRTguns. Sure wish he went mainstream with this kit. It's awesome

[kbstingwing]

Nice Pump Action, no doubts about that one, I like it.......

[kbstingwing]

You guy's were right, the Liberal Lawyers were trying to Manipulate legal AR builds, Sorry for the flack, I just wanted to make sure that my builds were legal, So building a Bolt action AR is Legal......

Kevin

[rumble phish]

I don't get it. Why not just buy an actual bolt gun? This concept seems completely and utterly ridiculous to me.

[dvs762]

easy fix. make the front pivot pin non removable. Either a longer pin welded so its non removable or a older Colt style screw type. also weld up the gas tube hole in the receiver or get a 9mm upper that has no gas tube hole. let them have fun with that one since there is no way to install a gas tube. thats how i would build one.

[shaocaholica]

I don't get it. Why not just buy an actual bolt gun? This concept seems completely and utterly ridiculous to me.

you don't get it

[rumble phish]

you don't get it

No, I don't. Take a rifle that was never meant to be a "bolt" gun and make it one. Assinine.

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[ucb]

I don't get it. Why not just buy an actual bolt gun? This concept seems completely and utterly ridiculous to me.

Better yet, why not just get a m1a or mini14 if you want a semi auto, who needs all those evil features anyway, they are all surely only meant for weapons of war and everyday citizens have no need for such weapons of war. Why own a weapon at all when we have fine law enforcement officers just 7-57minutes away depending on the severity of the call.

[rumble phish]

Better yet, why not just get a m1a or mini14 if you want a semi auto, who needs all those evil features anyway, they are all surely only meant for weapons of war and everyday citizens have no need for such weapons of war. Why own a weapon at all when we have fine law enforcement officers just 7-57minutes away depending on the severity of the call.

Your statement of "why not just get a {insert model of SA rifle here} misses the point of my question.

A better analogy would be "why don't you take a Remington 700 and make it a semi-auto?"

If you can't see the ridiculousness of making a semi-auto rifle into a hacked up "bolt gun" to avoid a stupid law then I don't think I can explain it to you.

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[radicalray]

" I Get It " because we can because it's a challenge because we already own have a bunch of bolt action rifles because we already own a bunch of AR 15/10, AK, SKS, Mini, M1a etc because the liberal lawmakers won't like it. If people don't get it they don't have to build one

[rumble phish]

" I Get It " because we can because it's a challenge because we already own have a bunch of bolt action rifles because we already own a bunch of AR 15/10, AK, SKS, Mini, M1a etc because the liberal lawmakers won't like it. If people don't get it they don't have to build one

If that's where you're coming from then I get THAT. But it seems many in this thread are doing not for the challenge, but to avoid the looming laws. If THAT is the case, then I don't get it.

But you're right. To each their own. Not my cup of tea but if it blows your skirt up, more power to ya.

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[ar15barrels]

I'm converting to a bolt action and was surprised to hear about the amount of force needed for lockup. Could fouling be an issue?

The AR platform relies on the kinetic energy of the buffer/carrier to lockup.
When you try to do it by hand, you will not have nearly ANY kinetic energy stored so you will have to PUSH quite hard to get the ejector spring to compress and the extractor to snap over the case rim while the bolt is trying to rotate via the camming surface of the bolt carrier.
The same will apply to the primary extraction which is usually handled by the kinetic energy stored in the bolt carrier by the gas that propels it rearward.

The AR/M16 design was simply not DESIGNED for manual operation.
If you want smooth manual operation, get a proper bolt rifle which has a 2.5" long lever (some would call it a bolt handle) which cams the bolt open and closed much easier.