Savage - what's the diff?

[Bushwack44]

I placed a call to Savage to find out the differences between the 10/110 Trophy Hunter XP & Axiss II (both in hardwood, 22" barrel, both have the AccuTrigger, both with a detachable mag & available in 243).

CS rep didn't have an answer. She was reading off a spec sheet.

Anyone have any idea the differences between the two (and what makes the Trophy Hunter more expensive)?

On a related topic, excluding third party options/upgrades, any reason to choose a Trophy Hunter XP over a Remington 700 BDL/CDL (or the other way around - wood stock only)?

[Fjold]

The 10 is the short action receiver and the 110 is built on a long action receiver. The short action makes for a more compact gun and the long action lets you load to longer magazine length with heavier bullets.

[DDRH]

The 10 is the short action receiver and the 110 is built on a long action receiver. The short action makes for a more compact gun and the long action lets you load to longer magazine length with heavier bullets.

I think OP is asking what's the diff between the AxisII and XP, not SA/LA.

I'd like to know also, since they have so many skus

[kevins750]

I don't own anything from the Axis line but I have handled one.
The receiver and bolt on the Axis appear to be different than my Savage
rifles. Maybe smaller in physical make up?

[Bushwack44]

Getting back to my original question, SA or LA isn't my concern as I'm bench shooting for recreation (yet the Axis II XP, if it is the lesser rifle with a short action has a total length 2" longer than the Trophy Hunter XP).

Other than a Savage marketing strategy, what makes the Trophy Hunter XP the better rifle? FWIW, for a possible purchase I'm comparing it solely to a Mossberg Patriot (243).

[plumbum]

Axis action and 10/110 action are not the same.

Axis is bargain/entry design (read as: shortcuts to save money).

Far as I know the XP designation just means it is shipped with a factory mounted scope/rings.

[kevins750]

generally it is said for bench shooting you want a thicker barrel.
The axis barrell is on the thinner side for a bench gun, I am sure
it would perform well until barrel warmed. The axis and hunter guns
look different, it isn't just a dressed up Axis. Both guns have thin(sporter) barrels
I would think the hunter may have a little more thickness though?
My suggestion would be to go to Dicks(I know everyone hates them)
and handle and cycle both rifles. They do have thicker barrel axis rifles
223 and 308 I believe though.

[hecomp]

I believe the numerical receivers (10/110, 11/111, 16 etc) can be re-barrelled, while the Axis rifles cannot. This would be one of the factors that would make the Trophy Hunter more expensive. I stand corrected, see posts below.

The Trophy Hunters usually come with a name-brand scope like Nikon.

The XP rifles come with the low end scope.

The XP II rifles have the Weaver Kaspa scope and the Accu-Trigger.

Up until a week or two ago, Gallery of Guns (www.galleryofguns.com) was carrying several Axis rifles with heavy barrels, but they are not listed anymore.

generally it is said for bench shooting you want a thicker barrel.
The axis barrell is on the thinner side for a bench gun, I am sure
it would perform well until barrel warmed. The axis and hunter guns
look different, it isn't just a dressed up Axis. Both guns have thin(sporter) barrels
I would think the hunter may have a little more thickness though?
My suggestion would be to go to Dicks(I know everyone hates them)
and handle and cycle both rifles. They do have thicker barrel axis rifles
223 and 308 I believe though.

The heavy-barreled Savage rifles at Dick's are the 11-VT models, which are Dick's specials. I believe they do have them in a .243.

[2shotjoe]

Lol, you can rebarrel axis guns with 10/110 barrels.

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[milleniumdude1999]

Axis vs 10/110 etc

As others have said, generally for 110/10 111/11 etc, three digit numbers are long action and two digits are short action. (I.E. 300 winmag, 30-06 = long action, and .308, 6.5 CM, .223 = short action)

Axis action are different and more like a long action, but adapted for short action cartridges. You can read more about this on Savage shooters.com

A lot of us builders are using Axis rifles as donor actions for our builds. They can shoot quite well with a better stock, or check out MTD's chassis for axis.

You can build a fine rifle on the cheap this way. I have built a few precision rifles this way to prove a point and they often outshoot expensive rifles. Check out bluecade.com, they have a very nice ffp 3x15x50 mi!/mil scope with awesome glass for 399.00.

I have a friend who bought one and put it on his axis .223 build. Boyds stock, pillar beded, apache 25" barrel and glass for under a grand including the glass. He did the whole thing in his garage.

Another buddy did the same thing with an Axis .223 HB, restocked and bluecsde scope, also shoots lights out and around $800 bucks with elbow grease!

If all you are doing is hunting, I doubt the deer with know the diff., Axis vs. 10/110.

And yes, Axis and 10/110 11/111 use the same barrels. The recoil lug is held on the barrel with the barrelnut on 10/110. The recoil lung is in the stock on Axis.

Bolt handle a little diff too. I actually like size of Axis tang safety better.

Axis stock is pure crud, worse than non accustock 10 Tupperware.

Bottom metal/plastic is diff too on Axis, as is the way the magmounts in stock, even though some 11/111 models use Axis style mags now.

I get a kick out of building accurate rifles on a budget, perhaps you do too?

Good luck!!!

[milleniumdude1999]

Just saw your followup question. If doing a build you can have an easy swap barrel on the savage. You cazn also do a swap barrel system on the 700 with remage barrels. You will need less tools with a savage system.

Here's a decent hypothetical. You could buy a .308 11 the and then buy a 6.5 CM barrel. The bolt will work with both, as will mags. Savage rifles are easy to headspace accurately.

If you like you can buy accuracy international style bottom metal and rock AI mags! A few companies sell bottom metal for 10/110 style in ai format and will also inlet stock for fee with a purchase.

I have seen a few mtd chassis systems, of course no need for bottom metal and they use AI mags. They start at 400 bucks. Its a very nice setup for precision rifle. I would do this before going for a Ruger prec. Rifle if I was handy with the tools.

Spend your cash on good barrel, you will be happy. Check out Apache gun works, and his son, Tim skinner. They are good people and have a superb product.
Adios, the dude.

[2shotjoe]

Recoil lug for the axis is held in the stock. The receiver has a cut out where the barrel goes in. You'll see it when the rifle is removed from the stock.

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[2shotjoe]

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[milleniumdude1999]

Nice barrel vice Bloodhawk! Others should not be discouraged if the don't have one. One can get it done with a decent vice and 2x4s with a hole drilled through the middle and then cut in half. You will need three pieces to grab enough area to eliminate slipping. YouTube has plenty of examples of how to giterdone.

If ya have a smooth barrel nut on a savage, just save some grief and use a pipewrench to take it off, then replace the but switch a grooved nut.

Savage shooters has lots of info there. Not knocking Rems, they are a fine rifle, but the savage design is a better design for simple barrel swaps.

One can make a case either way. Savage means you do not need an action wrench.

Re. Axis, many people think the action is stronger than 110/10, it's a theory, I don't find unreasonable, but the reality is, it doesn't make that much of a diff. If action strength is this important, time to buy a target action and build from there.

Savage is less expensive than Remington on a build basis. More aftermarket parts for 700, but savage is catching up fast. Dude Abides....

Tools required to swap barrels:
Common sense and patience
Head space gauges, go, no go in calibers,
Vice or barrel vice
Barrel wrench
2x4
Drill
3/4 or 5/8 paddle bit
Saw
Pipewrench for smooth barrel
Brassvwire brush to clean barrel threads after removing but
Anti seize for new nut

Remington, add an action wrench to the list.

[milleniumdude1999]

One more thing, either way you go rem vs savage, Boyds stocks are better than factory wood stocks, unless using factory Boyds OEM. Pillar bed and action bed on a boyds stock and you have a much better product, with some elbow grease and the feeling you DIY.

Accustock is nice, but a bedded Boyds will outperform it. 399 MTD chassis and magpul but stock is very nice indeed.

Xp comes with a scope, Nikon models are old school prostaff. Sell it to a hunter if you plan on building a prec. Rifle. Its a fine hunting scope, but can't get er done for precision rifle. Need matching turrets and ret (is mil turrets with mil ret) and first focal plane reticle.

SWFA has some nice products too, but the dude at bluecade came out with a super competative product. IMHO better glass and setup. It's equivalent to scopes three times a much. It's not perfect, but getting something better requires spending a ton more. If you are new to the sport, its tough to drop 2k or more on glass. Put your money into a nice barrel. Just the dude's .02.