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  • Bushwack44
    CGN/CGSSA Contributor
    CGN Contributor
    • Oct 2013
    • 2042

    Scope installation - Is this correct?

    Below in Photo 1, both the scope and barrel are leveled. That's how the scope installation should be, correct?




    Unlike Photo 2 below, where the scope (and barrel) are leveled but the stock leans right.





    Related question: Should the stock and the barrel both be the same level? This is a Remington 700.
    Last edited by Bushwack44; 06-02-2016, 5:35 PM.
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    jtv3062
    Veteran Member
    • Oct 2005
    • 2757

    Never seen it done that way before. I would have to say neither is correct.
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    • #3
      triggs75
      Senior Member
      • Sep 2010
      • 1835

      Bubbles need to go other way. Your worried about side tilt not front to back. Most aren't level that way due to barrel contours and scope mounts are offset, ie 20 MOA mounts
      Last edited by triggs75; 06-02-2016, 6:25 PM.

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      • #4
        FishnHunt
        Senior Member
        • Mar 2015
        • 1112

        Originally posted by triggs75
        Bubbles need to go other way. Your worried about side tilt not front to back. Most aren't level that way due to barrel contours and scope mounts are offset
        Bingo!
        On that rifle I'd put the level on the bottom half of rings before you out the scope on.
        Put the scope on with out moving the rifle. Put level on the top turret, torque to specs
        Last edited by FishnHunt; 06-02-2016, 6:27 PM.
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        • #5
          ar15barrels
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          • Jan 2006
          • 57131

          Is this a joke?

          The bubbles go this way:

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          • #6
            diver160651
            Senior Member
            • Feb 2012
            • 1764

            never-mind~ others covered it.

            Youtube would be helpful. I was too slow as I also thought your were being funny…

            Just know that the barrel is round, it doesn't care.. but you do..
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            • #7
              supergimp
              CGN/CGSSA Contributor
              • Oct 2005
              • 284

              Originally posted by FishnHunt
              Bingo!
              On that rifle I'd put the level on the bottom half of rings before you out the scope on.
              Put the scope on with out moving the rifle. Put level on the top turret, torque to specs
              This.

              You need a right/left plane that is flat and level to the action. Some rifles have a plane built in (i.e. picatinny rail) or you can level to the bottom half of the mounted rings. Once that is level then you can use a level plane on the scope itself (turret) to get the reticle oriented properly.

              I use the Wheeler kit:



              As you can clamp one level to the barrel (regardless of profile) and place the other on the bottom half of the rings. Level the barrel level (if that makes sense) and clamp it in place. Now you don't have to worry about bumping your rifle as you can easily return it to level using the reference on the barrel.

              Also, with the rings you show, that key into the bases, it's important that your rings are in alignment with each other and not twisted. You can get a lapping and alignment kit:


              to make sure your rings are not twisted relative to each other and lapping your rings will prevent marks on your scope and proper seating of the scope tube in the rings.



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              • #8
                Bushwack44
                CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                CGN Contributor
                • Oct 2013
                • 2042

                Makes sense. Thank you.

                Originally posted by FishnHunt
                Bingo!
                On that rifle I'd put the level on the bottom half of rings before you out the scope on.
                Put the scope on with out moving the rifle. Put level on the top turret, torque to specs
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                ...

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                • #9
                  Meety Peety
                  Veteran Member
                  • Aug 2008
                  • 3216

                  This can't be serious
                  "Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid." - Albert Einstein

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                  • #10
                    FishnHunt
                    Senior Member
                    • Mar 2015
                    • 1112

                    Originally posted by Meety Peety
                    This can't be serious
                    Right!?!
                    I guess there is Filrst for everything.
                    Smh
                    All of them do something better than the 30-06, but none of them do everything as well.

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                    • #11
                      Jimmy's
                      Veteran Member
                      • May 2016
                      • 2600

                      Lose the levels on the barrel and stock that will get you no where fast. Remove the scope place a level on the flat of the rear base and secure the rifle, place scope and upper ring covers and lightly tighten with out moving the rifle, now hold rifle in shooting position and see what you got.

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                      • #12
                        diver160651
                        Senior Member
                        • Feb 2012
                        • 1764

                        Dudes- levels really?

                        Not needed... On this system


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                        • #13
                          Cody
                          Senior Member
                          • Jul 2009
                          • 2148

                          Hey he didn't know and that's why he asked. I give him props for putting up good clear pics. Most guys don't offer enough info with the questions they ask. At least this guy did.
                          OP you have your answer so go run with it and good luck.

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                          • #14
                            Garandimal
                            Senior Member
                            • Sep 2011
                            • 2145

                            What I do:

                            1. Line the ring halves through the radius (~60 deg. either side of center top/bottom) w/ black Vinyl electrical tape.

                            2. Trim the width overhang w/ a razor blade/utility knife.

                            3. Grease the ring screws.

                            4. set the scope in the mounted ring bases and mount the ring caps so they just make contact.

                            5. Assume a standing field shooting position w/ the rifle.

                            6. Aim the rifle at yourself in a mirror ~ 6-8' away.

                            7. Adjust the rifle until the scope is vertical on the rifle in the reflection.

                            8. Adjust(roll) the scope until the cross-hairs are vertical w/ a vertical index, like a wall or door jam.

                            9. Repeat 7 and 8 until it looks right.

                            10. Press the scope into the base rings, and the ring caps on the scope, checking to get the gaps even.

                            11. Snug screws and then check alignment in mirror.

                            12. Lightly torque screws and then check alignment in mirror.

                            The Vinyl tape will flow/extrude a little and gives a very good contact surface.

                            Re-torque a little in a day or two.




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                            • #15
                              diver160651
                              Senior Member
                              • Feb 2012
                              • 1764

                              Scope installation - Is this correct?

                              You guys are nuts .... Most of you, not all.. The barrel does not care... Only you do.. Repeatability is key, not TDC..

                              3/4 of the advise is so FUBAR


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