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  • LMNO
    Member
    • Feb 2013
    • 164

    Trainer Rifles - What Do You Guys Use?

    Hi All,

    I've been working on my rifle shooting skills, and have been thinking that it might be appropriate to step down to a .22 lr bolt action. I currently shoot .308 and 7.62x54R and I'd like to get something that mimics them, more or less. As I am not able to get to the out door ranges very regularly, I figure the rim fire will let me practice at the local indoor ranges.

    While I already own a Marlin 795, I'd like to get something to replicate the bolt-action feel, plus the 795 is a bit tiny. Another part of me thinks that perhaps going with an airsoft might be better, as I can practice at home whenever I get a chance.

    I am also focusing on shooting with iron sights for starters, but will eventually scope it.

    For those of you who use rimfire trainers, I'd like to pick your brains and get some suggestions.

    My current list is:

    CZ 455 Lux
    - Pro:
    - - Everyone seems to love them.
    - - Really like the iron sights.
    - Con:
    - - Most expensive of the bunch.
    - - Will need to invest in magazines.

    Marlin XT-22 base or Varmint
    - Pro:
    - - Already have a 795 so the magazines are covered.
    - - Known to be accurate.
    - - The stock and the heavy barrel on the Varmint model seem more in line with a full size center fire rifle.
    - Con:
    - - Internets have me scared that I may end up with a possible "Remlin".

    Ruger American
    - Pro:
    - - Well-reviewed rifle that mimics the center fire Ruger American.
    - Con:
    - - Mimics the Ruger American, which means there is good chance I am going to end up buying a center fire version afterwards lol!
    - - Will need to invest in magazines.

    Savage FV or FV SR
    - Pro:
    - - Seem to have good reviews, especially in the accuracy department.
    - - Longer-barrel FV seems more in line with a big center fire. Cheaper than the FV-SR
    - - The 18" barreled FV-SR seems to have a more desirable barrel length for rim fire. More expensive than the FV.
    - Con:
    - - Will need to invest in magazines.

    Please, suggest away.


    Edited to Add:


    As mentioned, I don't get to the out door range very often. Once a month at the most. I have noticed that I have developed a flinch. The flinch seems to be a combination of recoil sensitivity and frustration. my usual procedure is to shoot about 5 rounds, and then step away for a few minutes to tackle the next group once barrel cools down. So I'm not shooting non-stop. I am seeing slight improvements in my groupings as well as my patience. I am also learning to not push myself beyond the point of enjoyment (trying to get the most of my time and money for the day since it is a bit of a hassle to get to the outdoor range). During my last trip, I barely shot a combined 80 rounds during my 4.5 hours.

    I absolutely need to work on my trigger discipline, breathing and natural point of aim. My thinking is that a bolt-action .22 would allow me to work on all those factors, along with being able to working on manipulating the bolt while keep the rifle shouldered (which, as I type this, sounds like it may not work because the centerfire rifles have a longer movement).
    Last edited by LMNO; 04-05-2016, 6:13 PM. Reason: Added Ruger American.
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    TMB 1
    Calguns Addict
    • Dec 2012
    • 7153

    Marlin XT-22. Ignore the internets.
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    • #3
      LynnJr
      Calguns Addict
      • Jan 2013
      • 7958

      Practice in your garage with dummy rounds and the rifle you plan on shooting not a 22.
      Lynn Dragoman, Jr.
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      Unlimited Range Shooters Association (URSA)
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      URSA - Competition starts at 2000 yards!

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      • #4
        Jarhead
        Veteran Member
        • Feb 2007
        • 2847

        CZ455

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        • #5
          bsumoba
          Veteran Member
          • Sep 2012
          • 4217

          dry fire with my competition gun

          best....training....ever
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          • #6
            Kingair001
            Senior Member
            • Jul 2015
            • 2357

            Thanks guys

            Gonna try that
            WTB : Bren Ten - WTB : Wildey 45 & 475 Magnum

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            • #7
              bigchinner
              Senior Member
              • May 2011
              • 1740

              CZ fan here. However, the bolt action Rugers are great too.

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              • #8
                alabamacoastie
                Member
                • Apr 2013
                • 451

                Have you checked the rules at your local indoor range? Maybe you CAN shoot the rifle you already own there.

                I'm in San Diego. There are 2 indoor ranges within a few miles of my house, and they both allow people to shoot .308 and 7.62 as long as the rounds are not magnetic.

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                • #9
                  LMNO
                  Member
                  • Feb 2013
                  • 164

                  Originally posted by TMB 1
                  Marlin XT-22. Ignore the internets.
                  Lol! Yeah, internets are dumb. Oh wait... I do like the Marlin. Might just be a matter of time until I pick one up just because.


                  Originally posted by LynnJr
                  Practice in your garage with dummy rounds and the rifle you plan on shooting not a 22.
                  Originally posted by bsumoba
                  dry fire with my competition gun

                  best....training....ever
                  Thank you, that was sage advice. Completely overlooked the dry-fire aspect. Snap caps ordered.


                  Originally posted by Jarhead
                  CZ455
                  Originally posted by bigchinner
                  CZ fan here. However, the bolt action Rugers are great too.
                  I knew I for got something. Ruger American added to the list.

                  Damn, the CZ does look good.


                  Originally posted by alabamacoastie
                  Have you checked the rules at your local indoor range? Maybe you CAN shoot the rifle you already own there.

                  I'm in San Diego. There are 2 indoor ranges within a few miles of my house, and they both allow people to shoot .308 and 7.62 as long as the rounds are not magnetic.
                  There is one that does allow it. But I feel that 25 yards is a waste of ammo. If I am wrong, please do talk some sense into me.

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                  • #10
                    killshot44
                    Veteran Member
                    • Nov 2009
                    • 4072

                    The best .22 trainers aren't cheap; most use a heavier than stock barrel and a stock that's the same as their centerfire rifle and usually topped with glass that cost more than the guns you listed. Basically everything is the same except for the smaller caliber.
                    Shooting these at 150 to 200 yards requires the same wind skill as a centerfire at 800.

                    25 yards with a rifle teaches you nothing IMO.

                    Dry firing using an IOTA lets you practice trigger pull indoors http://8541tactical.com/IOTA_review.php

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                    • #11
                      bombadillo
                      I need a LIFE!!
                      • Nov 2007
                      • 14810

                      I thoroughly enjoy my Savage 93R17 BSEV and my Savage MKII.

                      Both have DIP parts installed on them, and lightened triggers. My .17hmr is a ball to shoot rodents with, and the .22lr is made to mimic my R700 5R Mil-Spec.




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                      • #12
                        Musubi1000
                        Member
                        • Mar 2016
                        • 154

                        Yeah the Ruger American is a great cheap rifle. If you can handle the plastic stock.

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                        • #13
                          as_rocketman
                          CGSSA Leader
                          • Jan 2011
                          • 3057

                          As others have said, dry practice. All the time. All. The. Time.

                          That said, it depends on what you're training for and what personal errors you're trying to grind out.

                          If you're still mastering fundamentals, you can do a lot with your Marlin 795. I started on a Marlin 70 and I still dig it out pretty often.

                          AR-15 with a rimfire upper is certainly viable if you're shooting service rifles...

                          Learning trajectory and wind calls, a bolt is nice. I use a CZ 452 (heavy barrel, large stock) for this, also helps me work on consistency cycling the bolt and maintaining sight alignment. The virtue of the "Trainer" rifle in this respect is that it amplifies your errors.

                          But at the end of the day, the drills you do are at least as important as the equipment choice. You can carry out a totally viable training programme using nothing but your actual competition rifle. The value in trainer rifles is largely in diagnosing your shortcomings, working on very specific faults, saving money in live fire, and (this is perfectly worthy) enjoying the sport.
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                          • #14
                            Cody
                            Senior Member
                            • Jul 2009
                            • 2148



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                            • #15
                              killshot44
                              Veteran Member
                              • Nov 2009
                              • 4072

                              Always one smart@ss on CalGuns....

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