Noob question regarding "bottom metal"

[bender152]

First off, I consider myself a noob to bolt-guns. I've got one bolt-gun. It's a Remington 700 5R in .308. It has a Timney trigger, but everything else is factory.

Two questions...

1. If I go with a detachable mag bottom metal, I understand that the stock may need to be inletted to fit the new bottom metal, but does the receiver itself need to be modified?

2. And following that path, what does it mean when an action is cut for a specific bottom metal?

Here's an example: http://bugholes.com/index.php?route=...product_id=411
In the description, the receiver has a "Seekins magwell cut (no feed lips, can not use hinged floorplate)"

[thegamettt]

1. no modification to receiver required for a basic dbm install.

2. different dbms have different footprints. The most popular is badger ordnance m5.

I just bought the same gun as you, im picking it up tonight.

[ar15barrels]

1. If I go with a detachable mag bottom metal, I understand that the stock may need to be inletted to fit the new bottom metal, but does the receiver itself need to be modified?

2. And following that path, what does it mean when an action is cut for a specific bottom metal?

Here's an example: http://bugholes.com/index.php?route=...product_id=411
In the description, the receiver has a "Seekins magwell cut (no feed lips, can not use hinged floorplate)"

1. No.
2. When an action is cut for a DBM, it means you can NOT use an ADL type magazine with it.
In a normal remington 700 ADL setup, there is a magazine box in the stock and the cartridges rest on the underside of the receiver.

When the bolt is pushed forward to pick up a cartridge, the cartridge is sliding out of the RECEIVER rails.
When a receiver is cut for a DBM setup ONLY, you can only use it with detetchable magazines which fully contain the cartridegs.
When using a DBM setp, the bolt pushes the cartrideg forward out of the magazine lips, not the receiver.

The REASON some receivers are cut for DBM is so that you can use an AIAW magazine.
If your receiver is a standard BDL bottom cut, then you can NOT use an AIAW magazine.
You CAN use an AICS magazine in any type of receiver bottom cut though.

[dfletcher]

First off, I consider myself a noob to bolt-guns. I've got one bolt-gun. It's a Remington 700 5R in .308. It has a Timney trigger, but everything else is factory.

Two questions...

1. If I go with a detachable mag bottom metal, I understand that the stock may need to be inletted to fit the new bottom metal, but does the receiver itself need to be modified?

2. And following that path, what does it mean when an action is cut for a specific bottom metal?

Here's an example: http://bugholes.com/index.php?route=...product_id=411
In the description, the receiver has a "Seekins magwell cut (no feed lips, can not use hinged floorplate)"

Pacific Tool & Gauge sells detach bottom metal that doesn't require any modification to a BDL style Remington 700 stock. It uses the single stack mag, not the dual stack AICS type. I have a few of their units on 700s and 70s and although a bit longer they seem to feed a bit smoother.

PTG makes a good product, in 308 you can get the bottom metal and a mag for $99.00 - on sale now.

http://pacifictoolandgauge.com/remington-700-detachable-mag-bottom-metal-dbm/10069-remington-700-sa-oberndorf-bottom-metal-bdl-dbm.html#/1555-choose_magazine-ati_243_win_7mm_08_rem_308_magazine_5rd

You know, every time someone asks a question about 700 bottom metal I or someone else mentions PTG ..... and I end up spending $$$.

Here's the rest of their 700 mags/metal, there are other drop ins available too.

http://pacifictoolandgauge.com/97-remington-700-detachable-mag-bottom-metal-dbm

[bender152]

Thanks for the info, guys! That's cleared things up for me.

[ar15barrels]

PTG makes a good product, in 308 you can get the bottom metal and a mag for $99.00 - on sale now.

http://pacifictoolandgauge.com/remington-700-detachable-mag-bottom-metal-dbm/10069-remington-700-sa-oberndorf-bottom-metal-bdl-dbm.html#/1555-choose_magazine-ati_243_win_7mm_08_rem_308_magazine_5rd

Those are a pre-sale item which do NOT accept AICS magazines and are of unknown quality at this time as they have never shipped any...

[G-Man WC]

ETA April 2016. Pre-Order Sale Price of $99 including your choice of magazine. Normally $149.99

PTG Drop in BDL / DBM Conversion with... Oberndorf release.

-g

[thegamettt]

Those are a pre-sale item which do NOT accept AICS magazines and are of unknown quality at this time as they have never shipped any...

So it's the same thing as a Wyatt?

[ar15barrels]

Noob question regarding "bottom metal"

So it's the same thing as a Wyatt?

I doubt it.
Wyatts mags are steel and single stack.
The Ptg are plastic mags.
I'm guessing the two are not compatible with each other which also means they are not compatible with any other mags anywhere...

[FourT6and2]

Don't gamble on unknown products. Badger and Surgeon are both tried, tested, and rock solid DBM.

[boomer135]

Don't gamble on unknown products. Badger and Surgeon are both tried, tested, and rock solid DBM.

I have bought and used PTG's bottom metal on a Remington 700 LA. I am pleased with it for the price: http://pacifictoolandgauge.com/remin...tom-metal.html

I use the Accurate magazines SSSF in 300WM and they work well together. http://pacifictoolandgauge.com/accur...0-win-mag.html

[ar15barrels]

I have bought and used PTG's bottom metal on a Remington 700 LA.

The standard PTG AICS magazine compatible DBM are proven.
It is the new one that they are coming out with that is unproven and that's just because it uses a new (unproven) magazine.

[dfletcher]

Those are a pre-sale item which do NOT accept AICS magazines and are of unknown quality at this time as they have never shipped any...

Understood, they use ATI mags instead. I have too much stuff already, been to PTG, trust them and will give it a try. I think the ATI mags are single stack, that's what allows them to go into a BDL bottom metal that doesn't require a stock mod - could an AICS double stack & BM be made to fit an unmodified BDL? I'm supposing it might be too tight. If the bottom metal accepts metal AXS mags too, fine. But I'm not expecting it

You know, some of the 1st centerfire rifles I bought were Remington 788 with detach magazines. Back then they were economical, now I guess they're tactical.