Ruger Precision Rifle vs. Remington 700 for Beginner .308?

[Discogodfather]

Like on the other thread I proved you could get .5" with box ammo 3 shot groups and .75" 5 shot groups out of the box without any effort with the RPR. It's a solid rifle for beginners and as others have wisely said it really needs nothing and should probably be kept stock. Great way to try out 6.5 or .243, personally I would go for .243 if I had to do it over since that rifle needs no brake (the brake I got is $150+). Doesn't need a trigger, a stock, a grip, a forend, nothing. It's a great short term rifle.

Breeze by factory made guns in the 2000-5000 range and just get a custom or buy the 700 and continuously upgrade it until its got a nice barrel and anything else you want, that is the long term and you want to be serious. Your going to have to figure out the world of custom dies, reloading, and premium barrels at some point and it helps to befriend a good smith/builder and get into the local precision rifle community. In the end it just costs time, not more money, and you get the absolute premium rifle.

[ar15barrels]

Why does everybody keep saying the RPR is $1k when the MSRP is $1.4k? I haven't run across one to even see if I want one. Did Ruger ship out just one batch?

They were being sold for $999 by turners when they first came out.
They got MASSIVELY over-sold at that price.
People are still waiting for the guns they ordered to be delivered.
Ruger didn't properly anticipate how many RPRs the market would want so fast...

[Hairball]

Breeze by factory made guns in the 2000-5000 range and just get a custom

Here we go again....

[milotrain]

I don't understand the hard on for remington 700s anymore. They used to be the only reasonable option because they were the only bolt actions with after market support. Now you buy the brand new rifle to replace everything by the action- its like buying a complete AR then "customizing it."

Just buy a bolt action savage. They are cheap and have great out of the box accuracy plus the awesome accutrigger. If you decide you want a different stock you still have all the same options as the Remington.

Assuming I'm not building the thing from the ground up:
• If I want a heavy barrel long action rifle with a 2 stage trigger Savage has nothing for me and Remington has the 700 Long Range.
• If I want a heavy barrel 308 target rifle the Model 12s and Model 10/110 is nice but they are by no means cheap, and aren't cheaper than a 700 5R.

Assuming I am building it from the ground up:
• There are no 2 stage aftermarket triggers for Savage actions.
• There are no Savage magazine fed actions for sale without the rest of the rifle.

[TMB 1]

Assuming I'm not building the thing from the ground up:
• If I want a heavy barrel long action rifle with a 2 stage trigger Savage has nothing for me and Remington has the 700 Long Range.
• If I want a heavy barrel 308 target rifle the Model 12s and Model 10/110 is nice but they are by no means cheap, and aren't cheaper than a 700 5R.

Assuming I am building it from the ground up:
• There are no 2 stage aftermarket triggers for Savage actions.
• There are no Savage magazine fed actions for sale without the rest of the rifle.

Just think of pulling the AccuRelease lever as the first stage and you'll have a two stage trigger on the Savage. No need for an aftermarket trigger

[diver160651]

Ruger Precision Rifle vs. Remington 700 for Beginner .308?

Just think of pulling the AccuRelease lever as the first stage and you'll have a two stage trigger on the Savage. No need for an aftermarket trigger

Of course were not talking Benchrest/F-class. That would be a full blown custom with custom supports and were a dropped gun or a fall with a loaded gun is not a possibility-

Anyway TMB, that is not the case. A GOOD two stage does more than meets the eye. It helps with timing, allows the finger to merry to the trigger taking up the that tinny bit of softness in the flesh to promote consistency... It allows the hand to begin to lock up, again consistency... The alternative might be a crazy light BR trigger that also relies on systems like the rest and eared bags. Safety aside, for a field type environment, a 2oz trigger does not promote accuracy out side those conditions... Basically, because of the stuff mentioned above.


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[milotrain]

I've heard that argument before but having shot a Savage model 10 and dry fired a model 12 palma a fair bit I don't feel like the accu trigger is much like a two stage at all. There are two things going on sure, but two stage it isn't.

I don't dislike the Savage at all, I was simply explaining why the 700 fits me better than any of the Savage rifle offerings. I love the fact that Savage makes a turnkey Palma rifle.

[phiberoptik]

Buy a Remington 700 SPS Tactical for $500 and replace the stock with a $250 Bell & Carlson, done.

[TMB 1]

Of course were not talking Benchrest/F-class. That would be a full blown custom with custom supports and were a dropped gun or a fall with a loaded gun is not a possibility-

Anyway TMB, that is not the case. A GOOD two stage does more than meets the eye. It helps with timing, allows the finger to merry to the trigger taking up the that tinny bit of softness in the flesh to promote consistency... It allows the hand to begin to lock up, again consistency... The alternative might be a crazy light BR trigger that also relies on systems like the rest and eared bags. Safety aside, for a field type environment, a 2oz trigger does not promote accuracy out side those conditions... Basically, because of the stuff mentioned above.


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I don't have a problem with consistency with either type, so I guess I don't get what you're saying. The super light triggers I have are set triggers

I've heard that argument before but having shot a Savage model 10 and dry fired a model 12 palma a fair bit I don't feel like the accu trigger is much like a two stage at all. There are two things going on sure, but two stage it isn't.

I don't dislike the Savage at all, I was simply explaining why the 700 fits me better than any of the Savage rifle offerings. I love the fact that Savage makes a turnkey Palma rifle.

I wasn't trying to use it as an argument. I just thought it was silly using a two stage trigger as the reason not to get a Savage

[diver160651]

Ruger Precision Rifle vs. Remington 700 for Beginner .308?

I don't have a problem with consistency with either type, so I guess I don't get what you're saying. The super light triggers I have are set triggers





I wasn't trying to use it as an argument. I just thought it was silly using a two stage trigger as the reason not to get a Savage

A trigger, means a lot for some. While I like and have owned savages and like them for certain applications. A Huber Trigger, for my style of precision field shooting is something that I am not willing to give up..




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[wsmc27]

Buy a Remington 700 SPS Tactical for $500 and replace the stock with a $250 Bell & Carlson, done.

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Would a Rem 700 LR be better? 26" barrel stock iirc?

[diver160651]

Ruger Precision Rifle vs. Remington 700 for Beginner .308?

The stock is better on a few like the LR and TAC than an SPS "special plastic stock" but still not what you might want if your really into Long range precision shooting. So why pay an up charge only to toss it out later.

With the TAC line in 20" the threaded gives you 1-10, the non-threaded 1-12 twist and a stock that is slightly better than the SPS, but again not really a good one and you do give up a bit over 100fps.

If you go the 700 route, I'd think about the cheapest 700 SPS varmit 26" 1-12 you'll get about 2670 with 175 FGM, they work transitional even with the twist. Shoot it, figure out what you need.. Take the time to learn what you want. An F-class or bench rest stock is miles away from a precision field stock and those are fairly far away from a high end hunting stock.

Don't get a cheap replacement stock but one you need. If you decide you need a tactical barrel length or want a 6.5/creed or SAUM, 7-08, 6mm dasher etc, you still have the base platform and all it takes is a call to someone like AR15 barrels, LRI etc.. By that time, you will start deciding on the type of trigger that you might like. Very little wasted $$, good shooting and something that can easily grow with you.

This is what makes the 700 so desirable.




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[killshot44]

There's a good reason why most custom actions are designed similarly to the R700 action.

It's cylindrical shape with "three rings of steel" surrounding the chamber is strong, easy to "true" to centerline of the bore and the ability to set the bolt timing where you want it are key.

The aftermarket support is endless and though a blueprinted R700 won't bring the same resale as a custom, they'll shoot every bit as well with a properly-chambered barrel.

Looking forward to getting behind BSUMOBA's Ruger to see what's what.

[Untamed1972]

Bone stock .308 5R. 5rd group of off the shelf FMK match grade ammo at 200yd. And I consider myself just an average shooter.

[bsumoba]

Just curious if anyone has borescoped their factory barrel for the Ruger RPR.

I just cleaned the barrel (previous owner said he cleaned it, but did a horrible job). After doing my cleaning (mainly carbon and fouling), I saw some scary things...

* Bad coppering on the lands. I saw this throughout the length of the barrel starting about 7-8 inches from the throat. Some areas were light streaks, but as I got towards the muzzle, it was just caked on. A regular cleaning is not going to clean this. I am going to have to do a full copper cleaning on this barrel tomorrow. Just too tired to do it tonight. Supposedly, the gun has around 30-40 rounds of factory ammo down it.

* Every so often, I would see what looks like rings of carbon. I know it isn't carbon, but I am not sure what that is. Part of the hammer forging process???

This makes me wonder if this is really going to shoot. I hope to get it out Sat, but I might not have time to do it. We'll see how it shoots and whether or not the gun keeps coppering up badly.

Getting another barrel chambered up looks more and more imminent.

I guess one of the benefits is you do not have to send the RPR action out to the smith and you can order a pre-fit and headspace it yourself. Yo ucan also do this with a remage barrel system for the 700.