50 DTC

[Glock21sfsd]

Is the 50 DTC CA legal?

[hdpauly]

Dtc

Yes it is legal in California but be careful of ammo is hard to find chances are you need to reload your own!

[Shakey]

Yes it is legal and our own MrKubota sells ammo. He's also a very nice guy who answered a bunch of DTC questions for me.

[BillyGoatMachine]

Indeed they are. I just finished building this one last month. I'd build you one but I'm not licensed "yet". In the meantime call Randall (ar15barrel), he can build it for you. Also MrKubota sells complete DTC ammo at decent prices.

[Hairball]

Not sure if OP is just asking a general question or plans on getting one. If you do get one, make sure your reloading dies are the same as the rifle (EDM or Euro).

[Shakey]

Skkeeter, you gotta get on that license. :-)

I think the best deal going for DTC dies is Whidden - for $380 they will make you a custom sizer and micrometer seater. It's a bargain compared to the $1200 M2 set.

[digispike]

Skkeeter, Very Nice!

[gunrus]

Nice! I want one!

[LynnJr]

The dies made by Mike Matters are specifically made for one chamber and are Benchrest dies.
You can't get better dies made by anyone so its hard to compare them with standard dies.
His 50 BMG primer seater is $400 with tax.

And Shakey is right Skkeeter get on that license.

[Shakey]

Lynn, I'm not talking standard dies. That price is for custom dies made from a reamer print or fired cases. M2 stuff is very, very high quality but $800+ for a seater? Even with the Starrett gauge on top I view that as "only game in town" pricing. I guess the proof is in the runout measurement. Will let you know how the Whidden die works out when it arrives. Maybe I'll eat my words and fork over the $$$.

[LynnJr]

Shakey
I bought his 50 BMG seater die 20 years ago when it was only $350 and it is a work of art.
$800 for a seater means it must win matches or its not worth that kind of money.

[Shakey]

That's the justification for the price of every competition product since the invention of high-speed chariot wheels. You dont shoot 50 any more, right? I'll buy your seater for $250 since it is old and used. :-) But seriously, I'd like to look at it side by side with the Whidden die. I also ordered one of the Neil Jones neck/shoulder bushing dies. What do you think of them?

[LynnJr]

Shakey
Neil Jones dies are extremely high quality but the biggest advantage is you can swap out the neck shoulder bushing so your not over sizing your brass. He also can make you dies using your finish reamer which saves you $150 in not having to buy a resizing reamer.
Most factory type dies oversize the shoulder and don't size the base enough.
The dies made by Warner Tool are 100% full proof if they pay attention and send you what you ordered. At $425 a die you can't waste too much time getting them to send you the right parts. I bought a 300 WSM die from them and told them no click on opening and sent them 4 times fired brass. The die was a work of art but it didn't size my brass at all. When I called they wanted me to polish a Jim Borden chamber which defeats the entire purpose of a custom die.

[Discogodfather]

Question on re-sizing reamers: I ordered one for the .375 cheytac project from PTG to match the chamber finnish reamer. I spoke to Dave Kiff on the phone, he said that I could save over $50 on the set if I ordered the re-sizer with a solid pilot (without the bearing). It made sense to me.

You don't really need a throat on a re-size reamer at all right?

I was going to go with Viersco or Whidden for the dies.

[LynnJr]

The idea behind the resize reamer is it is smaller than the finish reamer in all the right proportions. Dave Kiff knows what those sizes need to be.
Niel Jones is unique in that he can make a resizing die while using a finish reamer. He is getting the dimensions to shrink by heat treating or adding a coating or some form of magic but the dies work.
I need to contact Dave Viers for some 338 SnipeTac dies myself.