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  • eric n
    Member
    • Oct 2013
    • 254

    bedding and torque

    If a stock is properly bedded, does it matter how tight the action screws are? Can you ''de tune'' by changing torque settings? Assuming everything is at least hand tight
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    JMP
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    CGN Contributor - Lifetime
    • Feb 2012
    • 17056

    You can try, but as the action screws attach to the receiver, it is not likely to obtain significant results in tuning them. Where you realize the tuning results is at the end of the barrel. That's why some muzzle brakes have tuning screws, or you can use a barrel tuner altogether. Controlling the motion of the muzzle is what counts as you want the muzzle perfectly lined up when the bullet exits.

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    • #3
      ar15barrels
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      • Jan 2006
      • 57174

      Originally posted by eric n
      If a stock is properly bedded, does it matter how tight the action screws are? Can you ''de tune'' by changing torque settings? Assuming everything is at least hand tight
      With a stress-free bedded stock, there should be no difference in how a gun shoots when the screws are torqued from 20 inch-lbs to 60 inch-lbs.
      Randall Rausch

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        eric n
        Member
        • Oct 2013
        • 254

        Thanks randall, I didn't think so.
        I was just looking for an excuse to blame my fliers on any thing but me.
        Time to start dry firing again

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          eric n
          Member
          • Oct 2013
          • 254

          Thank you as well JMP.

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            Switchbarrel
            Member
            • Jun 2009
            • 483

            Older article, take it FWIW (or leave it...)

            Unbiased AR15, Barnard (sold ), BAT, Borden, Browning, Kelbly, Marsh, Nesika Bay, Remington, Ruger, Savage, Ultralight Arms owner. I like 'em all.

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            • #7
              BillyGoatMachine
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              • Nov 2008
              • 2886

              Originally posted by eric n
              Thanks randall, I didn't think so.
              I was just looking for an excuse to blame my fliers on any thing but me.
              Time to start dry firing again
              Assuming your rifle is bedded properly. Lots of **** jobs out there!
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              • #8
                eric n
                Member
                • Oct 2013
                • 254

                Originally posted by skkeeter
                Assuming your rifle is bedded properly. Lots of **** jobs out there!
                Could be that. I do my own bedding and understand the why and how but without an indicator gauge its just a guess if its done right, till you shoot it anyway.
                The fliers are the nut behind the butt, I have no doubt. Doing seating tests with it at 300 and every flier is 1 inch outside the group. Truth be told, im a bit rusty from a bipod, been playing with bags a lot more lately.
                The reason I asked about bedding is because I recently did some stock work and didn't torque it down like I usually do. That article on torqueing to tune a savage crossed my mind and it became easier to blame the bedding then me.
                Last edited by eric n; 08-29-2015, 9:11 AM.

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                • #9
                  LynnJr
                  Calguns Addict
                  • Jan 2013
                  • 7958

                  Ericn
                  Your hand is a very good indicator tool.
                  Put your finger against the stock and the action and adjust one screw at a time.
                  If you can feel it moving the bedding is suspect.
                  Lynn Dragoman, Jr.
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                  • #10
                    eric n
                    Member
                    • Oct 2013
                    • 254

                    I forgot I had a Sinclair runout tool. Jimmied it up and found out.... no movement at all when loosening the back action screw. Lots of movement when loosening the front. Which makes sense because it's a salvage action and I did not bed the tang. Guess I will try the 45 inch lbs in the front and 30 in the back again and see what happens. Then bed the tang?

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                    • #11
                      Flouncer
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                      • May 2010
                      • 1309

                      Laughing my Ahss off. Again.
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                      • #12
                        eric n
                        Member
                        • Oct 2013
                        • 254

                        Flouncer, Why is it funny? It's a problem I haven't encountered before.
                        Here's the target. I guess I'll Dremel the bedding out and try again
                        Last edited by eric n; 01-10-2016, 7:04 AM.

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                        • #13
                          Shakey
                          Member
                          • Oct 2011
                          • 412

                          Ignore Flouncer, he's a troll with nothing to contribute.
                          Originally posted by CSACANNONEER
                          I love it when all my flyers land close to each other.

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                          • #14
                            hambam105
                            Calguns Addict
                            • Jan 2013
                            • 7083

                            Is critical important?

                            How the barreled action is mounted in the stock is, or used to be in the Jurassic days, critical. That is if you want to shoot beyond a couple hundred yards...in the daylight...for score...when your friends are watching.

                            LMT issues a torque wrench with a new match rifle purchases, or used to anyway. I suppose they didn't want to pay the scrap dealer money to dispose of the precision wrenches. Finger tension should do it.

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