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  • ke6guj
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    CGN Contributor - Lifetime
    • Nov 2003
    • 23725

    Originally posted by hoppin62
    Doesn't this fall in the same catagory as assault rifles?....
    Since the magazine is locked/fixed and not detachable how does it fall into 12276.5 ?? Please, can someone help clarify this? Thanks.
    its not state law that is the problem, you are right that the fixed-mag eliminates the AW issue, but it is the feds who feel that a VFG'ed handgun is an illegal AOW, unless properly registered.


    Jack



    Do you want an AOW or C&R SBS/SBR in CA?

    No posts of mine are to be construed as legal advice, which can only be given by a lawyer.

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    • hoppin62
      CGN/CGSSA Contributor
      CGN Contributor
      • May 2008
      • 342

      Originally posted by ke6guj
      its not state law that is the problem, you are right that the fixed-mag eliminates the AW issue, but it is the feds who feel that a VFG'ed handgun is an illegal AOW, unless properly registered.

      http://www.atf.gov/firearms/041006-vert_grip.htm
      Thank you for clearing that up!

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      • tacticalcity
        I need a LIFE!!
        • Aug 2006
        • 10916

        Ha..ha..I read the wrong page thinking I was on the last one.

        This post was in response to "CAN I BUY A STRIPPED PISTOL LOWER BY ITSELF".

        It has probably already been answered, but I figure it can't hurt to cover it again.


        You need to send the guy you are buying it from a lower parts kit, bullet button, pistol buffer tube kit, and single shot SLED type magazine and have him put it together for you before shipping it to your FFL.

        Some FFLs require you to have the upper before they will transfer it to you. Some only need the lower to be assmbled with a bullet button and single shot magazine. Mine did not requie me to have the upper. If you search on Gunbroker for Red River Tactical Pistol Lower, that seller will assemble the lower for you for an additional $20 fee. It is a great lower, had a snugger fit on my CMMG upper than even my CMMG lowers. He does have a few without logos on the opposite side if you dont like the additional engravings.

        There are other ways...I find the above the be the easiest. Nobody is gonna transfer just the lower, at least so I've been told.

        So I would start by buying the SLED, the Pistol Buffer Tube Kit, the Bullet Button and the lower parts kit. Once you have those, email the guy you want to buy the stripped pistol lower from and confirm that if you send him those parts he will assemble it for you. Then find out what your FFL is willing to transfer. Make the decision to purchase based upon their answers.
        Last edited by tacticalcity; 11-15-2009, 4:32 PM.

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        • hoppin62
          CGN/CGSSA Contributor
          CGN Contributor
          • May 2008
          • 342

          Originally posted by tacticalcity
          Ha..ha..I read the wrong page thinking I was on the last one.

          This post was in response to "CAN I BUY A STRIPPED PISTOL LOWER BY ITSELF".

          It has probably already been answered, but I figure it can't hurt to cover it again.


          You need to send the guy you are buying it from a lower parts kit, bullet button, pistol buffer tube kit, and single shot SLED type magazine and have him put it together for you before shipping it to your FFL.

          Some FFLs require you to have the upper before they will transfer it to you. Some only need the lower to be assmbled with a bullet button and single shot magazine. Mine did not requie me to have the upper. If you search on Gunbroker for Red River Tactical Pistol Lower, that seller will assemble the lower for you for an additional $20 fee. It is a great lower, had a snugger fit on my CMMG upper than even my CMMG lowers. He does have a few without logos on the opposite side if you dont like the additional engravings.

          There are other ways...I find the above the be the easiest. Nobody is gonna transfer just the lower, at least so I've been told.

          So I would start by buying the SLED, the Pistol Buffer Tube Kit, the Bullet Button and the lower parts kit. Once you have those, email the guy you want to buy the stripped pistol lower from and confirm that if you send him those parts he will assemble it for you. Then find out what your FFL is willing to transfer. Make the decision to purchase based upon their answers.
          That is what I found out when I bought my AR pistol. Most FFL's will only transfer as a complete single shot pistol. Anvil Arms sells complete pistol lowers California ready.. you just have to provide them your pistol upper for them to ship out as a complete pistol.

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          • Exposed
            CGSSA Leader
            CGN Contributor - Lifetime
            • Dec 2007
            • 1835

            Originally posted by hoppin62
            That is what I found out when I bought my AR pistol. Most FFL's will only transfer as a complete single shot pistol. Anvil Arms sells complete pistol lowers California ready.. you just have to provide them your pistol upper for them to ship out as a complete pistol.
            unless you do a ppt. I got my pistol lower from a ppt.
            WELCOME TO CALGUNS!! Search first!!
            New to the forum and got a question for an AR build?
            click on me ----> http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/member.php?u=14385

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            • hoppin62
              CGN/CGSSA Contributor
              CGN Contributor
              • May 2008
              • 342

              Originally posted by Exposed
              unless you do a ppt. I got my pistol lower from a ppt.
              I did not know that! Anyone selling one?

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              • ke6guj
                Moderator
                CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                • Nov 2003
                • 23725

                Originally posted by Exposed
                unless you do a ppt. I got my pistol lower from a ppt.
                how did the FFL do the handgun safety demo with a stripped lower?
                Jack



                Do you want an AOW or C&R SBS/SBR in CA?

                No posts of mine are to be construed as legal advice, which can only be given by a lawyer.

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                • Exposed
                  CGSSA Leader
                  CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                  • Dec 2007
                  • 1835

                  Here is mine next to my Kimber. I also posted one next to my Draco AK pistol.

                  pay no attention to the wolf .223 ammo/ or my bare feet with my alien PJ pants.



                  Last edited by Exposed; 11-15-2009, 6:29 PM.
                  WELCOME TO CALGUNS!! Search first!!
                  New to the forum and got a question for an AR build?
                  click on me ----> http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/member.php?u=14385

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                  • tacticalcity
                    I need a LIFE!!
                    • Aug 2006
                    • 10916

                    Nice!!! What variant AK is your AK pistol build from?

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                    • Exposed
                      CGSSA Leader
                      CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                      • Dec 2007
                      • 1835

                      Originally posted by tacticalcity
                      Nice!!! What variant AK is your AK pistol build from?
                      Draco AK pistol.
                      WELCOME TO CALGUNS!! Search first!!
                      New to the forum and got a question for an AR build?
                      click on me ----> http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/member.php?u=14385

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                      • tacticalcity
                        I need a LIFE!!
                        • Aug 2006
                        • 10916

                        You have a really nice collection there. I dig it.
                        Last edited by tacticalcity; 11-16-2009, 2:09 AM.

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                        • Exposed
                          CGSSA Leader
                          CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                          • Dec 2007
                          • 1835

                          Originally posted by tacticalcity
                          You have a really nice collection there. I dig it.
                          Thank you sir.
                          WELCOME TO CALGUNS!! Search first!!
                          New to the forum and got a question for an AR build?
                          click on me ----> http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/member.php?u=14385

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                          • evollep3
                            Veteran Member
                            • Sep 2008
                            • 3074

                            my 9mm build

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                            • Josh3239
                              Calguns Addict
                              • Dec 2006
                              • 9191

                              Love the fire selection markings? Who's lower, I couldn't make out the name? Did you have Orion do the engravings?

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                              • evollep3
                                Veteran Member
                                • Sep 2008
                                • 3074

                                Originally posted by Josh3239
                                Love the fire selection markings? Who's lower, I couldn't make out the name? Did you have Orion do the engravings?
                                the lower was a 80% lower and was a custom engraving

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