Laugo alien only 1/500 in the US. Any others in CA?

[jumbopanda]

I was really interested in one of these when I first heard of them, but kinda just accepted that it'd either be impossible to get one in CA, or it would cost 5 figures to do so.

[samrob77]

If you find me a dealer that is selling a new C8 for MSRP, I will buy it right now. Just because their ad says MSRP doesn't mean they're selling it for that price.

Nice looking gun btw.

[exnds]

Nice write-up. Thanks for the great feedback. I agree with you Laugo needs to dump Lancer and do it soon. One other well-documented issue with Alien is heat build-up, especially in front of the trigger guard area. How many rounds are you able to go through before you have to put the gun down and let it cool off?

[crossout]

@exnds I've only owned it during the winter so heat build up hasn't been an issue yet. It was a little warm after 3 full mags running bill drills back to back .. granted this was in an indoor range and it was cold enough inside that you could see your breath. During the summer i can see it getting hot. But this gun isn't made to be in extended gun fights. It's a competition gun. So it'll typically go through 20-40 round then sit for 30 minutes waiting for your next stage. Lol (not an excuse by any means). They ran the whole day at the shot show event last year no issues but I'm sure they were warm on a cold day..

All this said, my first time running my combat Master was in the middle of summer (105 degree day) and that thing got HOT after only 2 mags. I mean too hot to touch and never really cooled off even when left on the table in the shade. So yeah, i think it's safe to assume that any bull barreled steel frame gun will get pretty hot with continuous use. The alien will get double hot since it has extended exposure to hot gases in the piston system. This was a known issue with the HK p7 as well.

[johncage]

I'm running her in competition uspsa. I don't own any safe queens. (May have been lucky there but it happened. I usually print nice groups at range still.)

For accuracy is a laser beam. I punched 3rds in a single hole@20 yards. I literally mean 1 hole not a clover.

how do you deal with imperfections on polymer frames? i have ocd, i can't get it out of my head. i need to buy a duplicate gun that i store away to keep unblemished

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how do you deal with imperfections on polymer frames? i have ocd, i can't get it out of my head. i need to buy a duplicate gun that i store away to keep unblemished

Easy, i buy guns that i can only afford one of. So that when i duck it up i cry about for 2 months straight then get over it knowing that I'll have to be more careful next time.

But i guess for polymer framed pistols get it stippled?

[exnds]

One just sold today for $10,550 on GB. Whoever paid $13k+, well, I'm speechless.

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One just sold today for $10,550 on GB. Whoever paid $13k+, well, I'm speechless.

He got lucky one sold last week for $15,050

https://puu.sh/HmL1Q/93bc8dbf0d.jpeg

[exnds]

Well, either he was lucky or the other guy was crazy. It could also be a purely rational economic decision. If he thinks shooting an Alien gives him enough of a competitive advantage to where he can score better, win more prize money, get more sponsors, etc., maybe the extra $5k is worth it to him. There really could be a method to the madness going on here.

[crossout]

Yep could also be considered an investment banking on the fact that no more will ever come to America which is absolutely possibly.

[gose]

If laugo have their way with the market. I don't think it'll ever be 1k. They have their gun priced to be competitive with high end 2011 and race gun manufacturers. They have no interest mass production and flooding the market with budget guns. If someone copies their design or produces something similar then sure maybe.. but it won't be a laugo alien..

Realistically maybe 3500 would be the lowest for the gun and 1 mag. Current base models are 4k but they are still wanting to product and sell the package for 5k regardless of what country you're in.

Yeah, unless they get some competition, the guns hold up and they can keep the market cornered, they'll probably wont go down that much in quite some while. However, even though the design is novel, it shouldnt be anywhere near a $5000 gun to produce once they get some volume, so keeping the price up will likely be dependent on them keeping the price artificially high by limiting supply, rather than actual cost.

[crossout]

Yeah, unless they get some competition, the guns hold up and they can keep the market cornered, they'll probably wont go down that much in quite some while. However, even though the design is novel, it shouldnt be anywhere near a $5000 gun to produce once they get some volume, so keeping the price up will likely be dependent on them keeping the price artificially high by limiting supply, rather than actual cost.

I agree. Demand sure beads innovation and competition. That said they have a patent on the gun. Not sure what parts are patented or what other mfct can copy or have to stay away from. I don't see any company making anything similar to the alien any time soon but i could be wrong.

As for the price, i think 5k is easily justifiable. there's a lot aspects to look at and consider here. First and foremost there's the mfct to consider. The alien is 100% machined. There are no mim, forged, or molded parts. This automatically means expensive. Very few pistols are made this way any more. Lots of people want to compare it to a Glock. Well Glock is plastic. Most parts are mim, pressed, or molded. Cheaply manufactured. The most expensive parts are the slide and barrel.. this is why fancier slides say agency or zevv cost upwards of my 1-2k and that's just the slide/barrel alone! Keep this in mind when we move to the next point.

Then there's the consideration that everything is machined to aerospace tolerances. Most guns are made to very loose tolerances. We're talking up to several hundredths 0.01 of an inch of tolerance where as the alien is mfct to ten thousandths of an inch 0.0001+/- 0.0005. higher tolerances means slower mfct, higher quality control standards. Lower production rate. This is reminiscent to mfct such as night hawk, SVI, Atlas, staccato etc.

Next, componet wise, Everything needs to be made. What i mean by this is they're is no stockpile of extra parts from 3rd party mfct. They're aren't millions of the same parts laying arrive that can meet used in this gun. Ok except from springs, every part is specific to this gun. You can go to places like nighthawk and they can still go to any mfct and order Sears, hammers, safeties, etc and use them in their gun. Not the case for the alien.

Lastly there is still the new company and r&d aspect of this. If they spent millions on r&d, then millions more of mfct equipment, personnel, facility, utilities, marketing. Im willing to bet that Even when selling at 5k each they still have yet to turn a profit. Not me mention they aren't exactly turning out thousands of these. I think total in the world are less than 15k..

TLDR, you can't compare the gun to a Glock. It's not a ****ty mass produced plastic gun. Comparable mfcts would be nighthawk, Atlas, svi staccato, etc all of these companies making guns in the $4-7k range. If you want a cheap gun that works, don't look here. If your want a competitive and innovative competition gun that regularly goes against equally expensive guns then yeah. Alien might be in your market.

[nitroxdiver]

Very nice, congrats! That syphon pen compliments its uniqueness. [emoji6]

These are super rare ducks. Enjoy it. Hope you shoot the crap out of it.


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[echo1]

Good write up. PAX