Case Study - PPQ vs VP9 Trigger

[Paperchasin]

Keep hyping up the PPQ... I'm still waiting for a reasonably price VP9 to hit the marketplace.

[.45 ACP]

Sorry I stand corrected, the patent only last 20 years and should be available around 2016! (not to mention that any companies could license it)



The equation for this would be:

(PPQ owners) / (VP9 owners) = rating percentage



Yeah I done the mod about half a year ago on my PPQ M2 5". That gun is a beast and completely outshoot any polymers I have.

Here's the link for what I did - https://lanzerbot.wordpress.com/2014...m2-trigger-job

and a little comparison between light and heavy trigger
https://lanzerbot.wordpress.com/2015...heavy-trigger/

Lanzer, you are the man. Guys like you make CalGuns as a community.

Now for my $1 PPQ trigger job to be attempted this week, just to make sure I'm getting the details right for the mod. The Spring will reduce the trigger pull to 2.5 lbs. The only reason you polished the sear is for the creep correct? Not because of the mod itself? Reason I ask is because 2.5 is about as low as I would want to go, and the existing PPQ trigger creep I would want to keep actually with a trigger that light.

[lanzer]

Now for my $1 PPQ trigger job to be attempted this week, just to make sure I'm getting the details right for the mod. The Spring will reduce the trigger pull to 2.5 lbs. The only reason you polished the sear is for the creep correct? Not because of the mod itself? Reason I ask is because 2.5 is about as low as I would want to go, and the existing PPQ trigger creep I would want to keep actually with a trigger that light.

Hi 45, you shouldn't need to do any polishing as that just gives the pre-travel a bit more smoothness overall. The polishing on the sear engagement surface itself, however, do reduce trigger weight slightly. It matters more on conventional sear but not on the PPQ.

I think you'll be looking at around 2.2 pounds more than 2.5, but if that's the case, you can easily cut the loop off the cheap spring with a nail cutter, grinder or dremel, then take two needle nose pliers and make a new loop out of the last coil of the spring, effectively shortening the spring and increasing its poundage. With this method you can have a set of springs that goes anywhere form 2 to 3.5 pounds. For anything more you probably want to buy a stronger spring with thicker coils. I'm sure Ebay has them for a few bucks.

[saudadeii]

Thanks for the detailed post.

I have both and think they are superb firearms.

[pharazon]

Just wanted to thank OP for a comparison with facts instead of opinion.

[beretta929mm]

On the VP9, is the striker fully cocked (single action only), or partially cocked (like a glock)?

[nitroxdiver]

On the VP9, is the striker fully cocked (single action only), or partially cocked (like a glock)?

Fully, like the PPQ.


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[neouser]

Looks like the patent last 20 years and it's filed at 1996 so pretty soon we could be seeing this design elsewhere.

The PPQ trigger is the P99AS trigger with the double action feature and decocker removed. And no, it's not improved. It is the same trigger.

[revilo012]

Very informative. Thank you VERY much OP!

[lanzer]

The PPQ trigger is the P99AS trigger with the double action feature and decocker removed. And no, it's not improved. It is the same trigger.

Yes definitely, Walther implemented the patent's design on the P99, which was released a year the patent was filed. I'd like to think of the PPQ as a successor to the P99 only because it's newer, it's got better ergonomics (which of course is subject to opinion), and a better looking slide (which is subject to even more opinion). Though for the fact that there isn't a model of PPQ with a DA/SA trigger, it is true that one can say the PPQ is not a successor of the P99.

[xrik]

Great write up, thanks.

After shooting my PPQ which I shot accurately, I sold my VP9. My PPQ M2 trigger was much better than the VP9 trigger. Both very nice guns!

[nitroxdiver]

Case Study - PPQ vs VP9 Trigger

Yes definitely, Walther implemented the patent's design on the P99, which was released a year the patent was filed. I'd like to think of the PPQ as a successor to the P99 only because it's newer, it's got better ergonomics (which of course is subject to opinion), and a better looking slide (which is subject to even more opinion). Though for the fact that there isn't a model of PPQ with a DA/SA trigger, it is true that one can say the PPQ is not a successor of the P99.

I like the P99 AS more than the PPQ and VP9 as a carry candidate, and I have all 3 to compare against each other. It's a shame the P99 didn't gain greater popularity as a service pistol. It's a VERY good design. JMO.


OP, thank you for the very detailed post. Fantastic. I need to read it a few more times to try and fully digest it.

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[Litespeeds]

Bringing back a 10 month old thread so I can get more info on the PPQ. I didn't know you can lighten up the trigger by a quick and simple spring change. Also there is a reduced recoil system for the PPQ as well. Has anyone done some modifications to their PPQ and can share what they did?

[static2126]

Bringing back a 10 month old thread so I can get more info on the PPQ. I didn't know you can lighten up the trigger by a quick and simple spring change. Also there is a reduced recoil system for the PPQ as well. Has anyone done some modifications to their PPQ and can share what they did?

Imo the ppq trigger needs no mods. Perfect out of the box.

Also in 9mm the recoil feels a little flippier vs a glock but it is not a lot of recoil..shooting a reduced recoil ppq, i couldnt tell the diff

Not that you asked but to me a vp9 has less recoil and is nore accurate slow fire vs glock and less recoil but less accurate slow fire vs the ppq.

That said as much as I love he ppq it will.probably forever be a niche gun

[MrExel17]

Enjoyed the read, thanks for sharing!