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  • Elucidus
    Senior Member
    • Dec 2007
    • 717

    Is it considered a one-hole when...

    ...all the holes in the target are connected on the horizontal edges of their circle? If so, I shot some really good 5-shot groups last night. About 2" wide with my 45.

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    pullnshoot25
    Banned
    • Mar 2007
    • 8068

    Rad.

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      Fjold
      I need a LIFE!!
      • Oct 2005
      • 22917

      Horizontal, vertical, diagonal, as long as they all touch each other. One hole groups can be deceiving at times, the difference between these two groups show it.


      Frank

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        Sheldon
        Senior Member
        • Oct 2005
        • 2147

        There are degrees of the expression "one hole". There is the literal one hole group from the accurate shooter where the group is very close to being the same diameter of the bullets shot. There is the more typical ragged one hole group, where the group is a larger mostly round group. A looser definition of the term would be a group of ten shots lined up in a straight line, but where all the shots are cutting into one another....not much of a "group" in most people's opinion, I would think.

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          NeoWeird
          Veteran Member
          • Dec 2005
          • 3342

          I tend to be of the mindset that for target rifles 'one hole' means the center of each bullet is within a theoretical circle the same size as the bullet. That would mean that a .223 varmint rifle's 'one hole' group would be just under half an inch from any two extremes.

          For handguns and more defensive oriented longguns I tend to lean a little further out, where in 'one hole' means that the exteme edge of all bullets could touch or be inside a circle the theoretical diameter of the bullet. So a .45 could have a one hole measuring just over 1 1/3" from any two extremes.

          I say this because if 'one hole' was truely just all were touching making one hole, than any handgun could be a 'one hole' from any distance, it would just require more rounds; hit a target a million times with a .22 from 200 yards and it will be one big hole, but that is not the same as the guy who hits 10 shots into sub-moa groups with his .22. Some people also say it is if they are all touching through one magazine, but again that could mean that an STI with extended magazine (nearly 30 rounds for .38 super) could produce a 'one hole' nearly 4 times wider than a traditional 1911 and still be considered a 'one hole' gun.

          By my definition there are only a limited number of shots that can happen before shots are placed in the same location again (theoretically). It doesn't matter if you fire 3 rounds or 300 rounds; it will consistantly produce the same groups over and over where as stringing the bullets into a line is nothing more than poor finger control and is no indication of the accuracy of the firearm or the skill of the shooter.

          Just my opinion on the subject matter.
          Last edited by NeoWeird; 10-24-2008, 4:57 PM.
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          • #6
            devildog999
            Calguns Addict
            • Aug 2008
            • 5534

            Originally posted by Elucidus
            ...all the holes in the target are connected on the horizontal edges of their circle? If so, I shot some really good 5-shot groups last night. About 2" wide with my 45.

            Originally posted by TRAP55
            Or your ammo stash has replaced your wifes parking spot in the garage.
            When my neighbor asked what all those crates were, I told him if he sees smoke coming from my garage, and me running down the street......he better catch up!
            Originally posted by Steve O
            Just go to safeway to shop for food. The young good looking couple buying healthy food...they're a new couple. The fat ones wearing ****ty clothes not caring about how they look, getting frozen food...they're married!

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            • #7
              anothergunnut
              Senior Member
              • Jan 2006
              • 1819

              I'm not much of a marksman but I can usually shoot a one hole group with my AK-47 and Wolf ammo. Of course, I can only do it with a one round group
              Check back later for a witty comment.

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              • #8
                Fjold
                I need a LIFE!!
                • Oct 2005
                • 22917

                Originally posted by devildog999

                A three shot end-to-end group

                Frank

                One rifle, one planet, Holland's 375




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                • #9
                  CSACANNONEER
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                  • Dec 2006
                  • 44093

                  I prefer one holers. They are a lot easier to dig.
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                  • #10
                    Elucidus
                    Senior Member
                    • Dec 2007
                    • 717

                    Originally posted by NeoWeird
                    I tend to be of the mindset that for target rifles 'one hole' means the center of each bullet is within a theoretical circle the same size as the bullet. That would mean that a .223 varmint rifle's 'one hole' group would be just under half an inch from any two extremes.

                    For handguns and more defensive oriented longguns I tend to lean a little further out, where in 'one hole' means that the exteme edge of all bullets could touch or be inside a circle the theoretical diameter of the bullet. So a .45 could have a one hole measuring just over 1 1/3" from any two extremes.

                    I say this because if 'one hole' was truely just all were touching making one hole, than any handgun could be a 'one hole' from any distance, it would just require more rounds; hit a target a million times with a .22 from 200 yards and it will be one big hole, but that is not the same as the guy who hits 10 shots into sub-moa groups with his .22. Some people also say it is if they are all touching through one magazine, but again that could mean that an STI with extended magazine (nearly 30 rounds for .38 super) could produce a 'one hole' nearly 4 times wider than a traditional 1911 and still be considered a 'one hole' gun.

                    By my definition there are only a limited number of shots that can happen before shots are placed in the same location again (theoretically). It doesn't matter if you fire 3 rounds or 300 rounds; it will consistantly produce the same groups over and over where as stringing the bullets into a line is nothing more than poor finger control and is no indication of the accuracy of the firearm or the skill of the shooter.

                    Just my opinion on the subject matter.
                    I agree with your definition, I always believed one-hole to be almost essentially one-hole, a number of .45 cal rounds grouping ~0.5".

                    Now here's a "one-hole" with some fliers!

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