Ar pistols with SSE2.0 in 2015

[CSACANNONEER]

BTW, there are already AR type handguns on the shelves in CA which will still qualify for SSE next year. You are over thinking this whole subject.

[GOLDEN GUN]

Finish it before the new year.

Look up SSE 2.0

[GOLDEN GUN]

Actually, CA DOJ does deal with CA law and the way CA law classifies types of firearms.

The key reason that bumpfire stocks are not legal in CA has NOTHING to do with "semi auto vs. full auto". It has everything to do with a CA law which prohibits "multi burst trigger activators" and Bumpfire stocks fall into this category.

We're saying the same thing with regards to the bump fire stocks ...

But I don't think cal DOJ has the authority to dictate what a break action firearm is or what a bolt action firearm...

That's why when atf said the SB braces are not buttstock a.. Caldoj could not say they were, they would have to try and enact new legislation to ban them... It would be the same in this case.. Art would define them and caldron would try to fit it into one of their existing led or enact new laws

[CSACANNONEER]

We're saying the same thing with regards to the bump fire stocks ...

But I don't think cal DOJ has the authority to dictate what a break action firearm is or what a bolt action firearm...

That's why when atf said the SB braces are not buttstock a.. Caldoj could not say they were, they would have to try and enact new legislation to ban them... It would be the same in this case.. Art would define them and caldron would try to fit it into one of their existing led or enact new laws

Actually, Ca law is different than Federal law. There are different laws and requirements for SBSs and SBRs. The Judge is a well known example of this. While it is classified as a normal title 1 handgun under Federal law, even though it has rifling, it is classified as a SBS under Ca law. Federal law is actually more relaxed than CA law. Also, the Sig brace in particular can change the classification of a firearm in Ca depending on INTENT. Please note that Ca law does not say "break action" it is even more restrictive and says "break top". I own both side break and bottom break single shot handguns that do not qualify for SSE next year.

[GOLDEN GUN]

Again, only because a different law is out there signifyin the difference... Legislators would need to enact a new law that would define a break top or bolt action. But without a separate new law that would close the hole in SSE2... An atf determination letter would be sufficient for FFls to be able to complete dros

[CSACANNONEER]

I'm not following you. Why do you think an ATF opinion letter would make a difference? There are already AR handguns on the shelves that qualify for Single Shot Exemptions in 2015 so, why the letter?

[9M62]

Well I avoided all the hoopla by finishing my AR pistol today.

No need to be concerned

[GOLDEN GUN]

I'm not following you. Why do you think an ATF opinion letter would make a difference? There are already AR handguns on the shelves that qualify for Single Shot Exemptions in 2015 so, why the letter?

I don't see how ar pistols are already qualifying for 2015...

Also because some people just like buying the stripped lowers... Or want to build there own...

Art letter would help because if the ATF says that an ar platform without a gas system is defined as a bolt acting n would give us all solid ground to do it...instead of speculating that it is technically a bolt action or break top.

[CSACANNONEER]

I don't see how ar pistols are already qualifying for 2015...

Also because some people just like buying the stripped lowers... Or want to build there own...

Art letter would help because if the ATF says that an ar platform without a gas system is defined as a bolt acting n would give us all solid ground to do it...instead of speculating that it is technically a bolt action or break top.

You may not see how it is possible but, it is. Just wait a week and find out how.

Uh, yea, I understand that some people manufacture their own firearms. I've probably hosted more non commercial build parties than anyone so, I have a little knowledge about homebuilds.

A letter from ATF could BACKFIRE just like the latest one about the Sig Brace. http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...php?p=15512096 Besides, there is nothing to prevent a bolt action from having a gas system for ejection purposes.

[9M62]

For what it's worth i don't think an Ar with 0 round sled meets the definition of the basic description of a "bolt action".

It does, however, meet the basic definition of a break top.

Just my $0.02, and really semantics anyway.

[GOLDEN GUN]

Why im worried about it with having a gas system to help it eject only is the fact it resets the trigger and hammer at the same time

Damn didn't see that about the sig brace.. Sucks.. But shows how important an ATF letter can be.. And it did backfire