Ar pistol with a 16 in barrel?

[mversola]

im a little confused.
i wanted to know if i use a 16in barrel on an AR pistol. i want to get an AR pistol lower in a hurry. i dont have any uppers shorter than 16in at the moment.
some guns stores will dros me an Ar pistol lower if i provide the upper so they can legally do it as a pistol then do the SSE.
can i just use a 16in upper to get the dros done on a pistol lower or does it need to be an upper shorter than 16.
i though SSE requirements were it needed to have a barrel longer than 6in
and overall length longer that 10.5 in. says nothing about a maximum barrel length or maximum overall length.
can someone help me out?
Thanks

[xjdesertfox]

As far as federal law goes, no butt stock = not a rifle.

Someone else will have to chime in as far as the cali laws are concerned. With that said, sounds to me like youre just making a long barreled pistol meant to be shot one handed.

[triggs75]

from earlier this week


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[Quiet]

Under CA laws...

In order to be considered a "handgun", the firearm needs a barrel length of less than 16".

Using an upper with 16" barrel length will cause the firearm to be DROS'd as a "long gun" and not a "handgun".

[Quiet]

As far as federal law goes, no butt stock = not a rifle.

It's more in depth than that.

Firearm with a less than 16" barrel length and a less than 26" overall length and no shoulder stock = Title 1 Handgun

Firearm with a less than 16" barrel length and a greater than 26" overall length and no shoulder stock = Title 1 Other

[mversola]

so even if this AR pistol is going to be going through a single shot exemption it still needs to meet these requirements to be considered a handgun?

[Quiet]

so even if this AR pistol is going to be going through a single shot exemption it still needs to meet these requirements to be considered a handgun?

In order for the AR pistol to be DROS'd as a "handgun" under the SSE, it will need...
... a maglock and a 0 round magazine/sled
... a barrel length that is between 6" and 15.99"
... an overall length that is 10.5" or greater

[mversola]

ok guys, thanks for all the info. much appreciated!

[ad6mj]

It's more in depth than that.


Firearm with a less than 16" barrel length and a greater than 26" overall length and no shoulder stock = Title 1 Other

With this "Other" configuration would it be legal without a fixed magazine?

[Quiet]

With this "Other" configuration would it be legal without a fixed magazine?

Depends on how it's configured.

[killmime1234]

Oh boy. Title 1 territory here. Probably best to not go there. Quiet has it all described very accurately and comprehensively. Stick to <16" BBL upper in order to DROS as a handgun.

[morthrane]

With this "Other" configuration would it be legal without a fixed magazine?

Big very grey area, one with warnings not to touch unless you can afford to defend yourself solo, financially speaking. Do some searching on Title 1 Other guns, there's been a bunch of threads on CG.

IANAL, but it seems it boils down to CA AW law using the definition of 'rifle' (shouldered stock). If you can build a gun that's an 'other', avoids federal AOW status by being over 26" OAL, does not count as a pistol (sub-16" barrel) in california, and does not count as a rifle in CA or federally... in theory no fixed mag would be necessary. But then again, nothing is stopping a crooked DA from bringing up charges for something totally legal, under the wrong laws. Wouldn't be the first time...