Roster Shrinking

[Go Navy]

I'm interesting in acquiring a second Sig to go with my P226 Mk 25, but a slightly smaller version also in 9mm. Mindful that the SSE is going away and that it's probably too late for me to get in that line........

I just went to CalGuns Foundation to look at the latest Calif. Roster, dated 11 Nov 2014. There are only twelve remaining Sigs in 9mm listed now: two P229, one P250, one P6, one P239, six P226, and one SP2022.

Of those twelve, one is expiring on 5 Jan., another on 20 Feb, and two more on 9 April, and so forth. Only six feature shorter barrels than the P226 series. I guess six is better than zero.

I'm pessimistic about the Roster. I think it will continue shrinking. Maybe it's easy to renew a listing by simply paying a fee, but will the top manufacturers go through the hassle to ADD new models to this nightmare?

[dyson]

Microstamping guarantees no new pistols on the roster

[manini]

With the microstamping requirement in place, and without the existence of reliable cost effective microstamping equipment, manufacturers are unable to add to the roster even if they wanted to.

[nitroxdiver]

Roster stuff aside, my suggestion to your opening statement is to be on the lookout for a Sig P225 via PPT, or a P6 while it is still on roster since they are a single stack smaller version of the P226. The P6 and P225 are basically the same pistol, with the P6 having a heavier mainspring and a notched hammer that acts as a "telltale" to police armorers that the pistol had been dropped and hit hammer first, which could result in damage to the sear engagement. There are also reports that earlier P6's do not feed HP ammo reliably, although P225's have no problem with this. Good luck in your search!


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[Go Navy]

Since the Sig P229R Enhanced Elite is still on Roster, would that encompass the stainless version of that same model? I'd sure love to own the latter.

[safety-1st]

This is what we want fellas! The roster will shrink into obscurity! It will be gone soon!

[Sabesimpson]

Microstamping guarantees no new pistols on the roster

^ this is true

[supermanuf]

This is what we want fellas! The roster will shrink into obscurity! It will be gone soon!

I agree. "Soon" might be 5 years or so, but the roster's days are numbered.

[Go Navy]

Roster stuff aside, my suggestion to your opening statement is to be on the lookout for a Sig P225 via PPT, or a P6 while it is still on roster since they are a single stack smaller version of the P226. The P6 and P225 are basically the same pistol, with the P6 having a heavier mainspring and a notched hammer that acts as a "telltale" to police armorers that the pistol had been dropped and hit hammer first, which could result in damage to the sear engagement. There are also reports that earlier P6's do not feed HP ammo reliably, although P225's have no problem with this. Good luck in your search!


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Thanks for those ideas, Nitro......will add them to my list.

[sealocan]

I met this guy with a DeLorean time machine he says the only handgun on the roster in the future is the safest of all safeness.


a High Point.

;-)

they never move their company or change/ improve their design so it's the only handgun left... and according to future California Governor Clinton "as long as there's one rooster on the roster it is legal, what effin difference does it make! "

but don't worry homeland city police & fatherland sheriffs have plasma rifles and the very latest handguns.

(maybe I shouldn't trust people that drive DeLoreans anyway.)

;-)

[jimsguns]

Of those twelve, one is expiring on 5 Jan., another on 20 Feb, and two more on 9 April, and so forth. Only six feature shorter barrels than the P226 series. I guess six is better than zero.

I'm pessimistic about the Roster. I think it will continue shrinking. Maybe it's easy to renew a listing by simply paying a fee, but will the top manufacturers go through the hassle to ADD new models to this nightmare?

To continue a pistol already on the roster, the manufacturer just has to pay a renewal fee. Funny the SIG X-Five 9mm was inside a month of dropping off the list a few years ago when I called SIG to inquire on this as I wanted to pick one up. SIG forgot to renew the model and did so after I called and just in the nick of time.

The question, though, is how long the manufacturer's will continue to support the models already on the list. As the years go by, manufacturers make modifications/ improvements to existing models, which disqualifies the gun from the list. They also drop models that aren't providing the expected financial returns and/ or replace them with newer models. Add to that the microstamping law for which there is no pistol made that I'm aware of that has this feature means that no more new pistols for us CA saps.

Until the microstamping law is overturned, the roster will shrink each year. Hopefully in the meantime, manufacturers like GLOCK will continue to support us with models that are on the list. Just a note on this, GLOCK has maintained the Gen 3 models specifically for CA sales. If it were not for the asinine CA roster, GLOCK would have dropped the Gen3 completely a while ago and proceeded forward with Gen4 only - I know this for a fact.

The anti-gunners in Sacramento have really screwed us. We need to fight this law and not lay down and take it.

[scootle]

roster = "de facto" ban is not a joke... but as they say, chess, not checkers.

Just a note on this, GLOCK has maintained the Gen 3 models specifically for CA sales. If it were not for the asinine CA roster, GLOCK would have dropped the Gen3 completely a while ago and proceeded forward with Gen4 only - I know this for a fact.

i dunno about this one... the CA market is significantly smaller than the market of already-fielded Gen3 Glocks in the world right now... just sayin'. that, and we aren't the only state in the union with draconian gun laws, sadly...

[QXSOUP]

One note about the P6... Only the PW ARMS marked ones are on the roster. The CAI marked ones are NOT on the roster anymore, even though CAI imported many, many more P6's. Of course if you PPT it then it doesn't really matter.

[Brob]

Sig nut chiming in... I have a Mk25 and a 226 Extreme. Love them both! I have a 229 Scorpion, 224 Extreme, 938 SAS and hopefully I will have a 239 inbound in a few days. I've shot all extensively including the 239 through loaners. If you want a smaller version of the 226 then the 229 is the way to go, basically shorter barrel. If you want even smaller then the 224 is your best bet. Shorter barrel than the 229 but also shorter grip. Now if you want something smaller than the 226 that has the same manual of arms but not exactly a smaller version then the 239 is a nice choice. Single stack so not as many rounds but still just as accurate.

You can get a CA roster 229 and 239 after Jan 1st but only certain models. You still have time for a SSE. I've been told by every dealer that I use that you have to DROS by Dec 31st. Pick up can be after Dec 31st and they have confirmed that by calling the DOJ. In short, smaller version of 226 --> 229. @ 21ft, I can put holes inside of holes on paper with my 229 Scorpion if I do everything right.

[Go Navy]

Sig nut chiming in... I have a Mk25 and a 226 Extreme. Love them both! I have a 229 Scorpion, 224 Extreme, 938 SAS and hopefully I will have a 239 inbound in a few days. I've shot all extensively including the 239 through loaners. If you want a smaller version of the 226 then the 229 is the way to go, basically shorter barrel. If you want even smaller then the 224 is your best bet. Shorter barrel than the 229 but also shorter grip. Now if you want something smaller than the 226 that has the same manual of arms but not exactly a smaller version then the 239 is a nice choice. Single stack so not as many rounds but still just as accurate.

You can get a CA roster 229 and 239 after Jan 1st but only certain models. You still have time for a SSE. I've been told by every dealer that I use that you have to DROS by Dec 31st. Pick up can be after Dec 31st and they have confirmed that by calling the DOJ. In short, smaller version of 226 --> 229. @ 21ft, I can put holes inside of holes on paper with my 229 Scorpion if I do everything right.

Hey thanks. Good advice. I'm going to visit the local dealer tomorrow and chat about this. I really, really like my P226 Mk25, and I need another Sig, a little different, to go with it. The 229 series is appealing.