P320 modularity potential...a reality?

[riderr]

- Some people are only allowed to own one gun.

Well, in the eyes of your wife, you still own several, however in fact, it's just one gun at any given point of time. Anyway, if you are only allowed to own one gun, you should be legally allowed to have a few girlfriends on a side

- Same exact trigger between full size and subcompact (no relearning).

It's the same with Glocks, Sigs 226/229, etc.

- It's cool (novelty).

indeed

- Lowers department fees for switching calibers.

With the police trade-in program, it's not such a big deal. Anyway, it happens once in a blue moon, when some cops get lazy to practice and fail qualifications.

- Worry-free external modifications; only $50 to get rid of stippling.

It has quite a low impact, honestly.

You can also impulse buy a conversion kit and have it shipped to your door. It might be a small thing but convenience is convenient.

They have three conversion kits only. Certainly, Sig wants you to have all three, but what's then? I doubt you'd like to do much of a trigger job, so you don't break it. Also, the 3rd party finely tuned drop-in trigger kits are out of consideration.
In my view 320 is a revolutionary design with very questionable advantages.

[safety-1st]

Rider it seems like your not understanding the modularity part of the design of the sig p320.

You might be a good salesmen but you will have a very hard time trying to convince people to buy multiple handguns for multiple calibers and sizes over a modular handgun with kits at 199-300 bucks to achieve the same thing.

Not to mention the trigger is one of the best right now. It's being compared to the hk vp9 and the ppq. It's not as good but being compared to those triggers says a lot about the sig p320.

[fmunk]

I certainly see the benefit for CA market, but not nationwide. You have several 'shells' with one trigger assy only. So, at any given point of time, you have only one gun, actually. Guess what happens if it breaks. Well, you don't even want to imagine that.

Last I checked, the forum is called CALguns. Not any-other-state-guns.

If you don't like it, then don't get it. What's the point in bashing it? Complete waste of time.


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[riderr]

Last I checked, the forum is called CALguns. Not any-other-state-guns.

Does it prevent us from discussing pros and cons all the guns nationwide? Since when P320 has become a California-only gun?

If you don't like it, then don't get it. What's the point in bashing it? Complete waste of time.

Bad morning, I guess? I am not 'bashing' it. It's just a discussion of how successful this technology is. Like I said above, it's a revolutionary design in my view. The issue is that I don't see lots of benefits.

[riderr]

Rider it seems like your not understanding the modularity part of the design of the sig p320.

You might be a good salesmen but you will have a very hard time trying to convince people to buy multiple handguns for multiple calibers and sizes over a modular handgun with kits at 199-300 bucks to achieve the same thing.

I believe it will be a tad more expensive. Also, the new gun shell is not a new gun. You still have one trigger only. If something happens to it, you will end up with three perfectly useless gun shells. See the selling point here?

Not to mention the trigger is one of the best right now. It's being compared to the hk vp9 and the ppq. It's not as good but being compared to those triggers says a lot about the sig p320.

vp9 and ppq triggers might be good for the stock model, but they are so-so, when you compare it to the aftermarket finely tuned-up ones.

[saudadeii]

It's also a STRIKER-FIRED SIG!! First of it's kind. Yes that's a big bet from Sig.

It's a snap to disassemble. Rotating the takedown lowers the sear so no tools nor triggers pulls needed. Pop out the takedown and the fcu slides right out.

Plenty of people pay approx $300+ to turn their 226, 220, or 1911 into a .22.

[essjay]

I've got one. I like it. Everybody who's shot it so far likes it. If no kits ever came out, I'd be perfectly happy with it as a full-size 9mm.

[fmunk]

Does it prevent us from discussing pros and cons all the guns nationwide? Since when P320 has become a California-only gun?

Bad morning, I guess? I am not 'bashing' it. It's just a discussion of how successful this technology is. Like I said above, it's a revolutionary design in my view. The issue is that I don't see lots of benefits.

And just what exactly do you intend to accomplish with this "discussion"? There is a difference between a discussion and broadcasting one's singular opinion as if anyone else cares.

Plus, as far as discussions go, may I remind you that this thread was meant by the OP to discuss the reality of the P320's modularity—specifically if the promised modularity will be fulfilled or whether it's vaporware. It is NOT about the merits of the modularity concept the P320 came from.

Since we've already gone astray, I'd like to point out the following... the gun industry isn't tailored specifically towards civilian sales. More often than not, they are more focused on institutional sales (LE and Military). Civilian following and sales (because civies want to use what the pros use) just happens to be a big bonus, which allows manufacturers to subsidize their high R&D and operating costs. Institutional sales mean large sum orders, and that's where the money is at—one big check per order. These orders make it much easier for them to plan (financially), make great headlines for the media—which make investors and shareholders happy and fuel civilian sales. With that in mind, the P320 has one distinct advantage for institutional customers. These customers can configure their serialized FCUs to suit any need (duty or back-up, concealed or open carry) and end user (men, women, large hands, small hands). And as personnel change, they don't have to purchase new pistols, but can adapt existing FCUs to fit new employees. You simply can't achieve the same flexibility and cost savings with other pistols on the market... where they are largely one size fits all.

By design, it is the AR15 of pistols.

[AGFNTB]

I certainly see the benefit for CA market, but not nationwide. You have several 'shells' with one trigger assy only. So, at any given point of time, you have only one gun, actually. Guess what happens if it breaks. Well, you don't even want to imagine that.

Why not just buy spare fire control assembly parts? The only thing serialized is the fire control chassis.

[riderr]

And just what exactly do you intend to accomplish with this "discussion"?

The purpose of any discussion is to gather different opinions, so everyone can make their our conclusion. Do you know of any other purpose of the discussion?

There is a difference between a discussion and broadcasting one's singular opinion as if anyone else cares.

I am giving my opinion (rather questions) in a polite and civilized manner. Other folks give their opinion, again in a nice and polite form. There is no need for any hatred here.

Plus, as far as discussions go, may I remind you that this thread was meant by the OP to discuss the reality of the P320's modularity—specifically if the promised modularity will be fulfilled or whether it's vaporware. It is NOT about the merits of the modularity concept the P320 came from.

I'll let OP decide, if my line is off-topic or not.

Since we've already gone astray, I'd like to point out the following... the gun industry isn't tailored specifically towards civilian sales. More often than not, they are more focused on institutional sales (LE and Military). Civilian following and sales (because civies want to use what the pros use) just happens to be a big bonus, which allows manufacturers to subsidize their high R&D and operating costs. Institutional sales mean large sum orders, and that's where the money is at—one big check per order. These orders make it much easier for them to plan (financially), make great headlines for the media—which make investors and shareholders happy and fuel civilian sales. With that in mind, the P320 has one distinct advantage for institutional customers. These customers can configure their serialized FCUs to suit any need (duty or back-up, concealed or open carry) and end user (men, women, large hands, small hands). And as personnel change, they don't have to purchase new pistols, but can adapt existing FCUs to fit new employees. You simply can't achieve the same flexibility and cost savings with other pistols on the market... where they are largely one size fits all.

By design, it is the AR15 of pistols.

I really doubt LE or military will benefit from such flexibility. Usually PD don't change the caliber very often, so modularity is not a big factor for them. Speaking of the military, it's even more rigid bureaucracy. Different special units have more freedom, but again, they get stick to one caliber and keep using it. Also, they are not really concerned of the cost of weapons.
So, what's the benefit of the quick snap-in/snap-out platform for them? I am not bashing, I am just wondering.

[riderr]

Why not just buy spare fire control assembly parts? The only thing serialized is the fire control chassis.

Well, technically speaking, the only serializable part in Glock4 is a tiny small plate stuck into the plastic frame. It's just Glock don't sell the plastic frame without this tiny plate.
So, the question is if the trigger group design lets you to do the repair in the garage, or it has to be changed as one big piece. BTW, Beretta Nano uses the same concept of a plastic frame and serialized sub-chassis

[r1ghtw1ng]

I just picked up a P320 full size from kygunco for $498 shipped for my Nov SSE. Looking forward to it.

http://www.kygunco.com/sig-sauer-p320-full-size-nitron-9mm-pistol-47in-17-round-81692

[neouser]

If you've ever done government procurement, you'll understand why this modularity will be successful. Equipment gets beat up and the ability to repair and maintain the equipment without having to reissue new equipment will be a key selling point.

Almost every part of the FCU is replaceable and the design of the FCU itself is so robust that I doubt it'll wear much. At worst, the integrated ejector might get worn a little after four or five centuries of use.

[saudadeii]

Why not just buy spare fire control assembly parts? The only thing serialized is the fire control chassis.

How would you do that in CA? You have no caliber to list, can't do a safety demo, and it's still off roster.

[saudadeii]

At worst, the integrated ejector might get worn a little after four or five centuries of use.

Yep. By the time I shoot the snot out of it, the roster will be history, or I'll be a pile of dust. (I'll bet dust).