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  • sumpak
    Member
    • Sep 2014
    • 160

    45 cal for IDPA

    After my class yesterday with Nate and his team at ISIshootists, I was convinced to progress thru the IDPA competitive shooting.

    I will be using my 1911 9mm and since I have my last SSE this November, I am looking to get a 45 to be used mainly for the IDPA as well.

    Those competing in IDPA, which 45 do you use and main points why?
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    Corbin Dallas
    CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
    CGN Contributor - Lifetime
    • May 2006
    • 6188

    Use the one you are most comfortable and accurate with. There is no added benefit of a 45 over any other caliber.

    If you have been running the 1911 9mm, why change platforms?
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    • #3
      Kodemonkey
      • Jun 2010
      • 2904

      Originally posted by Corbin Dallas
      Use the one you are most comfortable and accurate with. There is no added benefit of a 45 over any other caliber.

      If you have been running the 1911 9mm, why change platforms?
      I second that. It's a good platform. In IDPA that puts you in your own division (CDP). That's really neither good nor bad, it just makes it more fair for single stack shooters.

      The way they setup most of the stages in IDPA (and definitely at ISI) doesn't put the single stack guys in a position where they have an extra mag change over the 10 round ESP/SSP guys.

      Go with what you like. But keep an open mind. I thought I was going to like one type of gun and ended up shooting Glocks for various personal reasons. My wife shoots IDPA with a 1911 in 45ACP, and I enjoy shooting that gun every once in awhile too.
      Last edited by Kodemonkey; 10-27-2014, 1:31 PM.

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      • #4
        Kodemonkey
        • Jun 2010
        • 2904

        Oh and welcome to your new addiction... the water is fine!

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        • #5
          ke6guj
          Moderator
          CGN Contributor - Lifetime
          • Nov 2003
          • 23725

          Originally posted by Corbin Dallas
          Use the one you are most comfortable and accurate with. There is no added benefit of a 45 over any other caliber.

          If you have been running the 1911 9mm, why change platforms?
          well, there is the benefit that bigger bullets can more easily "cut the line" if you slightly miss so that you can get a 0 instead of a -1. that is one reason why people shoot .40 instead of 9 to get a bigger hole in the target that can help with a close miss.
          Jack



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          • #6
            Kodemonkey
            • Jun 2010
            • 2904

            Originally posted by ke6guj
            well, there is the benefit that bigger bullets can more easily "cut the line" if you slightly miss so that you can get a 0 instead of a -1. that is one reason why people shoot .40 instead of 9 to get a bigger hole in the target that can help with a close miss.
            True. That's why I shoot 40. Even at 180gr/800fps I am well above the power floor for SSP/ESP. It shoots nearly as soft as a 9mm, but I have a bigger cleaner hole to see and it takes the steel poppers down faster and allow for more slop (I can hit one lower and still knock it down).

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            • #7
              toddh
              Banned
              • Dec 2010
              • 1914

              Glock 41, XDm 5,25 , and about a dozen 1911's will all work for IDPA.

              And it's up to you to decide what class you will shoot it in, how it will be modified, etc.

              I have a G41, XDm 5.25 and a 1911.

              I use the 1st two about 98% of the time when shooting .45.
              The 1911 sits in the safe....a lot.

              Once again, you need to decide how your gonna use it and go from there.
              Last edited by toddh; 10-27-2014, 1:43 PM.

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              • #8
                Gryff
                CGSSA Coordinator
                • May 2006
                • 12686

                I use an XD Tactical for CDP division and I love it. But if you are looking for something to SSE, then consider a Springfield Range Officer, Springfield XDm 5.25 in .45, or a Glock 41. All depends on which platform you like the best.
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                • #9
                  KahrGuy9
                  Banned
                  • Aug 2014
                  • 198

                  Originally posted by sumpak
                  After my class yesterday with Nate and his team at ISIshootists, I was convinced to progress thru the IDPA competitive shooting.

                  I will be using my 1911 9mm and since I have my last SSE this November, I am looking to get a 45 to be used mainly for the IDPA as well.

                  Those competing in IDPA, which 45 do you use and main points why?
                  I used to shoot my G21, loaded to 8+1, in CDP to go up against my 1911 buddies. But there is really no advantage to a .45acp unless you just want one. The bigger hole argument holds because the recoil is much less for a heavier bullet compared to lighter bullet, ie, a 125gr 9mm going 1,000 fps will have much more felt recoil than a 180gr 40S&W going 700fps and a 230 gr .45acp going 550fps even less, however the cycle time will be increased. Poppers are calibrated to the minor floor of SSR division at 105,000 so unless you like to shoot the poppers low your 9mm will work just fine at 125,000.

                  My take is to get at least 2 dozen matches under your belt first and then decide if you want to move out of ESP.

                  ESP does have the lowest classifier times.

                  Division CDP ESP SSP ESR SSR
                  Master 92.00 89.00 91.00 101.00 102.00

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                  • #10
                    postal
                    Banned
                    • Mar 2008
                    • 4566

                    Originally posted by Kodemonkey
                    I second that. It's a good platform. In IDPA that puts you in your own division (CDP). That's really neither good nor bad, it just makes it more fair for single stack shooters.
                    .
                    Just to clarify.....

                    CDP MUST be a single stack 45. A single stack 9 doesnt make the cut.

                    CDP is nice because not a lot of people in that division. It isnt too difficult to do well in that class.

                    I use a sig stainless target, but if it was for comp only, I'd put a big fiber optic front sight on it for fast front sight aquisition.

                    My second or third time out... I came in 2nd place in CDP. First place whooped me bad..... but around 8 people in CDP, I was pleased until I saw first place time....
                    Last edited by postal; 10-27-2014, 8:24 PM.

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                    • #11
                      dobek
                      Senior Member
                      • Nov 2009
                      • 651

                      I'm a CDP Sharpshooter -

                      I shoot a Colt Combat Elite - why? It's pretty - it's accurate - it's dependable - I can shoot it well -

                      Now with that said - especially the pretty part - It has a high rise beavertail with palm swell - NM barrel - decent grips - undercut trigger guard.

                      I changed MSH with more aggressive grip style - added extended beveled mag well - polished throat / feed ramp - cleaned up the trigger, lightened trigger to 4# (is a backup carry gun as well) - and swapped sights to fiber optic.

                      Fiber optic got me on target much faster -

                      I practice with reloads loaded to the same as Winchester White Box - but compete with a much lighter load. The lighter load will improve follow on shots dramatically.

                      There are less people competing in CDP (13 Sharpshooters at the 2014 California State Championship) -

                      Now - start shooting IDPA in CDP - you will LOVE IT

                      Steve

                      Last edited by dobek; 10-27-2014, 9:24 PM. Reason: add pict

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                      • #12
                        Gryff
                        CGSSA Coordinator
                        • May 2006
                        • 12686

                        Originally posted by postal
                        CDP MUST be a single stack 45.
                        That is not correct. The main requirement of CDP is that the gun is .45acp. It does not matter whether it is a single-stack or a double-stack, as long as it is .45acp.
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                        • #13
                          toddh
                          Banned
                          • Dec 2010
                          • 1914

                          Originally posted by postal
                          Just to clarify.....

                          CDP MUST be a single stack 45.

                          CDP is nice because not a lot of people in that division. It isnt too difficult to do well in that class.
                          As the other guy already said.....CDP is (almost) ANY .45ACP loaded to division capacity.

                          And CDP not too difficult ?
                          If you wanna come to Piru, Prado or Pala and shoot CDP, Ill pay for your entry.
                          I've seen some pretty fast guys competing in that division.
                          It's a very humbling experience when an old man wearing glasses with only 8 rd capacity shoots clean and beats your time.

                          .

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                          • #14
                            KahrGuy9
                            Banned
                            • Aug 2014
                            • 198

                            Originally posted by postal
                            Just to clarify.....
                            CDP MUST be a single stack 45. A single stack 9 doesnt make the cut.
                            My second or third time out....
                            Maybe before your 4th match, you can read up on the rules for CDP, just you won't give another newbie the wrong information.....

                            8.2.3. Custom Defensive Pistol Division (CDP)
                            8.2.3.1. Handguns permitted for use in CDP must:
                            8.2.3.1.1. Be semi-automatic.
                            8.2.3.1.2. Be .45 ACP caliber.
                            8.2.3.1.7. All .45 ACP firearms legal in SSP are legal for use in CDP.

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                            • #15
                              KahrGuy9
                              Banned
                              • Aug 2014
                              • 198

                              Originally posted by sumpak

                              I will be using my 1911 9mm ?

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