Glock Imperfection

[TWN495]

Tap and rack. Why would you save a round that didn'the go bang? You can CCW yet don't even know the basics of keeping a gun running. You need to sign up for some real training.

you should have seen some of the gun handling "skills" that were on display in my CCW class. Scary....

[Corbin Dallas]

I re-fire every round that doesn't go bang the first time. 9/10 they fire the second time.

That's great, you just saved a few cents.

I certainly hope you never do this during a CCW qualification or training class.

[Corbin Dallas]

you should have seen some of the gun handling "skills" that were on display in my CCW class. Scary....

I think of obtaining a CCW in CA like winning the lottery and receiving a race car. Now you want to go out on the race track with your super high performance race car and you have no idea how to make it go fast.

You may have the tool but unless you get proper training you likely don't have ability to use said too effectively.


or like a clumsy teenager having sex for the first time. You fumble, stumble and something goes off at the wrong time...

Super scary.

[mr2ndamendment]

I'm not a big fan of shooting Glocks (just can't find a way to make it work), but I think it's one of the best guns ever made. Well designed, reliable, and pretty durable -just about the only real problem with the gun is the factory sights.

With that said, every gun has limitations and it sounds like the gun may have had a gunked-up firing pin channel or the ammunition may have been corrupted or had bad primers.

I think this thread is a demonstration of something I've been saying for years: don't put all your trust, faith, and hopes into a weapon always going "bang," no matter how good it is. Every gun has a failure point and every gun needs proper maintenance. I've seen too many people buy a Glock, shoot the hell out of it, and never clean it and think it'll always be OK and never malfunction on them. Stuff happens -pop open the hood and clean your guns to keep them working. Also, never fully trust your ammo. With the thousands upon thousands of rounds factories produce every day, there's bound to be errors or rounds that shouldn't have left the factory. Also, storing ammunition improperly or in wet conditions will cause problems. Keep up on your guns and ammo and you'll be able to decrease the possibilities of failure.

[nickbackouris]

Not being there, but believing the facts to be: bad ammunition coupled with an inexperienced shooter, I think the CCW trainer did the student a dis-service by passing them.

That kind of manipulation is fundamental, and inability to perform it could be the game changer in a gunfight. The trainer is obligated to help the student and prepare them as best they can. Sounds like the trainer failed.

[l8apex]

Train with snap caps, in your normal magazines. Practice your malfs to the point that you are able to 'fix' the problem without over thinking it.

Unless you are bound to silly 2nd strikes on the same round via your agencies policies, get rid of the round - if it just so happens that on the 2nd strike it still doesn't fire, you are going to get rid of it any way and burned a crap load of time. Anyone who HAS been shot at and returned fire will tell you that TIME is something you don't want to 'F' with.

[tacticalcity]

Like some of you speculated I didn't look for a struck primer. In fact I foolishly kept putting the same round back in the mag.
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I put the round back in a partial box. I just inspected all the rounds in the box. Sure enough one had a struck primer.

Sounds like a bad primer to me. But of course, the haters are gonna blame the gun...especially since it is a Glock. Because their flavor of Kool-aide NEVER runs into bad ammo issues.

As the shooter, it's human nature to think it can't possibly be something you're doing wrong...and for some reason ammo (which is usually the cause) always gets a pass when troubleshooting the issue.

Most clearance drills I know of have the bad round flying out of the gun and onto to the ground. Not only do they get the gun back into the fight in the blink of an eye, but they prevent people from trying to reuse a bad round. So it might be a good idea to learn a clearance drill that will prevent you from making the same mistake again.

So basically this sounds like it was a good learning experience. You passed, you learned not to reuse a round that fails to fire (just in case), and if on your next range trip the gun functions flawlessly you learned it's not the gun.

[deadcoyote]

Remove the slide, the back cover plate, slide out the firing pin and clean out the Gunk in the firing pin channel. No lube, just clean.

I'm an armorer and this is the first thought that popped into my head.

[voodoomedman]

Train with snap caps, in your normal magazines. Practice your malfs to the point that you are able to 'fix' the problem without over thinking it.

Unless you are bound to silly 2nd strikes on the same round via your agencies policies, get rid of the round - if it just so happens that on the 2nd strike it still doesn't fire, you are going to get rid of it any way and burned a crap load of time. Anyone who HAS been shot at and returned fire will tell you that TIME is something you don't want to 'F' with.

Careful with snap caps though. I'd just not use them for dry practice. They are cool for live fire as you can have someone just throw them randomly in your magazines so you don't know when a FTF is coming and you act instinctively. But that pretty much only sets you up for type 1's and not 2 or 3's. So you'll need to purposely set those up anyway.

The thing is with snap caps is you don't want to have a malfunction at all in a real firefight. Particularly one you caused because of carelessness. So the thing is... If you start practice with 10 snap caps then at the end if practice make damn sure you have 10 snap caps and that you place in a separate sealed baggie just for the snap caps. That way they don't sneak into your fight gear.


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[voodoomedman]

I'm an armorer and this is the first thought that popped into my head.

I totally agree but you have to get them really really gunked up. I've had my XD gunked up in the channel to have the appeared acne of light strikes. May not pass the pencil test but still enough oomph to light off major brand ammo every time.


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