Question about AR pistol

[1911_GUY]

I know starting next year we wont be able to buy AR pistols since SSE will be ban. But can we still but AR uppers if we already have an AR pistol? Thanks!

[CSACANNONEER]

I know next year we sill still be able to buy AR pistols via SSE. Have you actually read the new law? If not, go read it and you should be able to quickly understand how AR pistols will be one of the EASIEST handguns to get via SSE.

[RickD427]

I know next year we sill still be able to buy AR pistols via SSE. Have you actually read the new law? If not, go read it and you should be able to quickly understand how AR pistols will be one of the EASIEST handguns to get via SSE.

Breaktop?

[CSACANNONEER]

Breaktop?

No, just ones which will be first manufactured in a single shot configuration. There are plenty of 07FFLs in CA (and outside of CA) who will just buy stripped lowers and manufacture single shot AR pistols the exact same way that they do it now.

[Fozzie TheBear]

Interesting.....guess I'll have to actually read it.

[Jerry X]

My local FFL told me next year you can't buy them anymore. Only through private party.

[CSACANNONEER]

My local FFL told me next year you can't buy them anymore. Only through private party.

Read the law yourself then, find a FFL who knows what they are talking about.

[CK_32]

80% my friend. That's how I'm going to do mine.

Make a nice little ghost gun.

[SOAR79]

Read the law yourself then, find a FFL who knows what they are talking about.

I agree. Once you read the law, it'll all make more sense to you.

[HappyCamper781]

The law makes single shot conversions of existing semi auto firearms subject to roster requirements. That's all.

What it does NOT to is make purpose built from frame single shot firearms subject to the roster. It also does not say anything about converting purpose built single shot firearms into semi auto. (after you take possession)

[RickD427]

The law makes single shot conversions of existing semi auto firearms subject to roster requirements. That's all.

What it does NOT to is make purpose built from frame single shot firearms subject to the roster. It also does not say anything about converting purpose built single shot firearms into semi auto. (after you take possession)

Happy Camper,

Please check out AB1964 a little more closely.

I agree with you that AB1964 doesn't say anything about converting an SSE firearm to semi-auto after transfer. It looks like SB808, if passed, would make that illegal.

However AB1964 does appear to eliminate the "Dimensionally Compliant Single Shot Pistol" exemption for Handguns that are not "break-top" or "bolt action." The current language of Penal Code section 32100(b) recognizes such an exemption, the revised language under AB1964 does not.

[CK_32]

Ok now this thread has me confused as all hell about what just happened with SSE, since some of you understand it so well and I never can get what the PC means, can someone spell it out for the rest of us. Layman's terms

I was also under the impression SSE grey area was now closed and any and all SSE'd new guns were now not to be legally imported. So unless it's on the roster it's not comin in or into your hands new.

[RickD427]

Ok now this thread has me confused as all hell about what just happened with SSE, since some of you understand it so well and I never can get what the PC means, can someone spell it out for the rest of us. Layman's terms

I was also under the impression SSE grey area was now closed and any and all SSE'd new guns were now not to be legally imported. So unless it's on the roster it's not comin in or into your hands new.

SSE is not dead yet. It may be dying, but its not dead.

The classic SSE loophole where a dealer converts a semi-auto to single shot for sale, and where the weapon is later made semi-auto again is dead. If a weapon was a semi-auto then it cannot be an SSE.

Weapons can still be newly manufactured as SSE weapons, and transferred, provided they are dimensionally compliant and are either: 1) A five shot or greater revolver, 2) A "Break-Top" single shot, or 3) A "Bolt Action" single shot. The previously legal "dimensionally compliant single shot", not meeting the above categories, becomes illegal under AB1964.

[CSACANNONEER]

Happy Camper,

Please check out AB1964 a little more closely.

I agree with you that AB1964 doesn't say anything about converting an SSE firearm to semi-auto after transfer. It looks like SB808, if passed, would make that illegal.

However AB1964 does appear to eliminate the "Dimensionally Compliant Single Shot Pistol" exemption for Handguns that are not "break-top" or "bolt action." The current language of Penal Code section 32100(b) recognizes such an exemption, the revised language under AB1964 does not.

While I am not reading it that way, I just got a call from someone more in the know than I am who says the same thing. I will reread the law a few more times in the next few days and see if I can figure out just what I'm missing. For now, I'm going to have to say that it looks like I was wrong and that RickD427 and a few other attorneys who have been consulted have much more expertise in the law than I have are correct in their interpretation of the new law. That is to say that SSEing an AR type pistol in CA is going to take more than just building it first as a single shot. It will need to be a break top or a (non straight pull) bolt action to be SSEed.

[RickD427]

While I am not reading it that way, I just got a call from someone more in the know than I am who says the same thing. I will reread the law a few more times in the next few days and see if I can figure out just what I'm missing. For now, I'm going to have to say that it looks like I was wrong and that RickD427 and a few other attorneys who have been consulted have much more expertise in the law than I have are correct in their interpretation of the new law. That is to say that SSEing an AR type pistol in CA is going to take more than just building it first as a single shot. It will need to be a break top or a (non straight pull) bolt action to be SSEed.

CSACANNONEER,

Please don't feel bad. This stuff is real confusing, and the manner in which a lot of these laws are drafted makes it even more so. About the best way I can think to explain it is to post both the "new" and "old" versions of Penal Code section 32100(b) and then look for the key differences.

Here's the "old" version of section 32100(b):


Here's the "new" version of section 32100(b):


Under the old section, a weapon only had to be dimensionally compliant and be a single shot. Under the new section, it also has to be either a bolt-action, or break-top. Note: the additional language about the five shot revolver was moved from 32000(a) to 32000(b) in the revision. The effect of the revolver stuff remains unchanged.