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[El Capitan]

One more idea, and someone correct me if I'm wrong.

But if you want some flexibility, and especially if you are under time constraints, why don't you just have your friend pick up some frames, and just dros them for now.

Then, you can have them sent off back to SVI, DW, or whereever and have them custom built as you see fit.

[bwiese]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">One more idea, and someone correct me if I'm wrong.... why don't you just have your friend pick up some frames, and just DROS them for now.

Then, you can have them sent off back to SVI, DW, or whereever and have them custom built as you see fit. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Legally murky....

It may indeed be legal to have an out of stater bring frames in and F2F PPT them to you (DROS, waiting period, etc.) once he has Calif DL/residency etc.

However, those frames might not be able to be built into full handguns. With very few exceptions it's illegal to build any handgun in CA due to the 'safe gun'/drop test requirements. (Exceptions: single-action revolvers w/5+ rounds & 3" or more barrel length, and special cases w/ DOJ preapproval for testing.)

This is murky - because it may be a bit unclear when gun and receiver are and are not the same. Most of the time, gun = frame/receiver. But I am not sure here.

Bill Wiese
San Jose

[gobabygo]

It's a very bad idea. In my experience, once you go with a 2011 it's hard to go back, except maybe to a nice 1911. Heh, I'm happy I've tempted you.

I'm have a smith built STI, but I drool over the SVI's. The problem with new complete SVI guns is the wait time. I don't know when your friend is moving, but SVI wait times are usually several months.

I agree with El Capitan that getting just the frame is the easiest, fastest and cheapest solution for now. (Get me one too!) You then send your CA legal frame to any smith or SV directly and have it turned into what you want. Since you liked the S_I websites here's another example for a smith.

bweise- I really don't think the law is murky on bringing in frames if you are moving here. You can bring in any non-AW handgun. Serialized frame/receiver = handgun. He's not building a gun, it's already built (frame is 100% complete, not 80% for example). Going this route you are bypassing the drop test/CA certification issue entirely. What do you put on the DROS for barrel length on say an Imbel (FAL) receiver? And if necessary, any 1911 top end should fit on it.

This isn't necessarily an indication of legality, but there are people that are transferring in frames in this manner and DROSing them.

[bwiese]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by gobabygo:
bweise- I really don't think the law is murky on bringing in frames if you are moving here. You can bring in any non-AW handgun. Serialized frame/receiver = handgun. He's not building a gun, it's already built (frame is 100% complete, not 80% for example). Going this route you are bypassing the drop test/CA certification issue entirely. What do you put on the DROS for barrel length on say an Imbel (FAL) receiver? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

True, you can bring in any non-AW firearm.

The question is - from the safety test aspect - are you 'manufacturing' a handgun when you build up a frame? I am not sure that is resolved under 12128. Sometimes laws conflict.

DOJ could offer guidance here.


Bill W
San Jose

[FortyFiveCal]

I would choose a 1911. More specifically, the Colt Gunsite pistol. It's not the greatest 1911, but it's probably one of the best colt produced. Or if you have funds, I would suggest the Ed Brown Executive Elite.