HK MP5 Clone with SigTac Arm Brace (Cali Legal to shoot and/or from Shoulder???)

[outlawdaveyjones]

Not saying that I own it, but with the end cap conversion to accept the AR pistol tube and SigTac Arm Brace, would it be legal (although the BATF has deemed it legal) still be legal in the State of California? Or will I face prosecution to the maximum extent, because it does resemble a stock and be classified as a SBR by certain agencies if it were to be shouldered and fired, but does not alter the classification of a pistol? Let me know thanks!

[67goat]

Nobody knows how CA DOJ will rule on it. Scroll down in this sub forum. There is a thread about AR pistols with the brace. No need to rehash it.

[phase1]

illegal for sure in ca, since mp5 doesn't require buffer to function, but sb15 on ar pistol is gray

[gunsmithcats]

Oh geez. So are the Sig p556 pistols. They don't need a buffer to function and yet Sig still sells them into the state with the brace attached and a bullet button. Yes the braces are questionable but not because of buffer or no buffer. Its a brace, plain and simple. What matters if it the brace is considered a stock and not how its attached.

[gunsmithcats]

Forgot to add having it an aow seems to have been kosher with the CA Doj. Franklin armory did the leg work with the ATF and CA doj and they seemed to have gotten the safe pass if it was an aow.

[saki302]

You pay your money, you take your chances.

No one knows- maybe you'll be the test case that defines it for us all?

[outlawdaveyjones]

You pay your money, you take your chances.

No one knows- maybe you'll be the test case that defines it for us all?

Haha! No thanks. I'll just pass on the brace. Thanks for the reply's everyone!

[CSACANNONEER]

illegal for sure in ca, since mp5 doesn't require buffer to function, but sb15 on ar pistol is gray

Huh? Are you trying to use logic to interpret law? The fact that a buffer isn't required for it to function has NO LEGAL BEARING on being able to accept a brace or not. If you really think it does, please provide a link to the PC that you are using to come up with your FUD.

[Modimo]

illegal for sure in ca, since mp5 doesn't require buffer to function, but sb15 on ar pistol is gray

FUD...

[phase1]

Huh? Are you trying to use logic to interpret law? The fact that a buffer isn't required for it to function has NO LEGAL BEARING on being able to accept a brace or not. If you really think it does, please provide a link to the PC that you are using to come up with your FUD.

I guess I did add logic...

16530. (a) As used in this part, the terms "firearm capable of
being concealed upon the person," "pistol," and "revolver" apply to
and include any device designed to be used as a weapon, from which is
expelled a projectile by the force of any explosion, or other form
of combustion, and that has a barrel less than 16 inches in length.
These terms also include any device that has a barrel 16 inches or
more in length which is designed to be interchanged with a barrel
less than 16 inches in length.
(b) Nothing shall prevent a device defined as a "firearm capable
of being concealed upon the person," "pistol," or "revolver" from
also being found to be a short-barreled rifle or a short-barreled
shotgun.

[CSACANNONEER]

I guess I did add logic...

That doesn't mean a brace automatically makes it a SBR. I'm still trying to understand how putting a brace on a firearm that doesn't require a buffer tube automatically makes it a SBR in CA. Your original statement just doesn't make any sense. If a Sig Brace is legal on an AR pistol, it would be legal on a MP5 style pistol. Of course, at this point in time, we don't know if either are legal in CA. However, if one is, they both would be. Right? Or, do you know something that no one else knows? If so, please share it. If not, quit spreading FUD.

[saki302]

It DOESN'T make it automatically illegal- yet.

Either way, we don't have a test case, and good luck getting DOJ to admit it either way on paper before someone lands in court.

-Dave

[waveslayer]

Why do people still throw fuel on the fire about this subject. Don't post I am buying the brace to be able to shoulder it... that is the issue.