glock 19 question

[spydahead]

I have a glock 19 gen2 that I purchased back in 95 and have 4 15rd mag's
now if I was to end up getting a gen4 glock 19 could I legally use my 15rd mag's in the gen4 19, also two of my mag's are 4th gen mag's.

Thanks

[sd_shooter]

Yes

[19K]

Did you rebuild your 15 rounders into a gen 4 body?

[NYT]

yup, you surely can.

[spydahead]

Did you rebuild your 15 rounders into a gen 4 body?

No...ore should I say yes...does it matter ?

[envelope]

I suspect it would matter, because at that point, it could be considered "built from a rebuild kit" which is susceptible to the CA state law of 10rds max.

I would also always double check the counties, which you're living/traveling through. In example, Sunnyvale has deemed it a felony to own any mag larger than 10rds despite the grandfathering in '96

[Quiet]

I have a glock 19 gen2 that I purchased back in 95 and have 4 15rd mag's
now if I was to end up getting a gen4 glock 19 could I legally use my 15rd mag's in the gen4 19, also two of my mag's are 4th gen mag's.

Thanks

The Gen4 Glocks use a reversable magazine release.

As long as the magazine release is set up on the standard side, then you can use any generation of Glock magazines. (gen 1-4)

If the magazine release is set up on the non-standard side, then you can only use the newest generation of Glock magazines. (gen 4)

[The Cable Guy]

I suspect it would matter, because at that point, it could be considered "built from a rebuild kit" which is susceptible to the CA state law of 10rds max.

I would also always double check the counties, which you're living/traveling through. In example, Sunnyvale has deemed it a felony to own any mag larger than 10rds despite the grandfathering in '96

What are you talking about?

Rebuilding a magazine means rebuilding it to be in good working order. If he had 4 magazines back in '95, he can replace old parts and still keep it at 15 rounds.

It's a different story if you simply bought a "rebuild kit" and assembled it into a "large capacity" magazine capable of holding 10+ rounds as that would definitely be defined as "manufacturing" a magazine and is illegal pursuant to CPC 32310 (a).

[The Cable Guy]

The Gen4 Glocks use a reversable magazine release.

As long as the magazine release is set up on the standard side, then you can use any generation of Glock magazines. (gen 1-4)

If the magazine release is set up on the non-standard side, then you can only use the newest generation of Glock magazines. (gen 4)

This is correct.

Also note that the older Gen Glock mags (there are more generations of Glock mags than there are Glock handguns), do not drop free and will "hang" in the magwell when there are rounds in the mag. I was told this was by design, but was addressed in the later generations of magazines.

[envelope]

Hi Cable Guy,

My mention of the 'rebuild kit' was just speculation of a worst case scenario. I've never been very clear on "rebuild kits" to begin with. In example, if John Doe purchases springs and followers from one source, and floorplates and bodies from another, is that a 'rebuild kit'?

I suppose it's a greater question of "what exactly was grandfathered", the sum of its parts, or the parts themselves? Playing with these permutations...

-If he purchases and installs a replacement spring for his grandfathered mag, does that violate CPC 32310 (a)? (geez I hope not, and would doubt that)

-If he purchases and installs a 4th gen mag body for his grandfathered mag, does that violate CPC 32310 (a)?

-If he purchases and installs a 4th gen mag body, spring, and follower for his grandfathered mag's floorplate, does that violate CPC 32310 (a)?


Apologies for deviating from the original question, but I think it's an interesting topic. Cable Guy, I'd love to learn more from your insight. Thanks!

[spydahead]

Thanks for all the info.

[The Cable Guy]

Hi Cable Guy,

My mention of the 'rebuild kit' was just speculation of a worst case scenario. I've never been very clear on "rebuild kits" to begin with. In example, if John Doe purchases springs and followers from one source, and floorplates and bodies from another, is that a 'rebuild kit'?

I suppose it's a greater question of "what exactly was grandfathered", the sum of its parts, or the parts themselves? Playing with these permutations...

-If he purchases and installs a replacement spring for his grandfathered mag, does that violate CPC 32310 (a)? (geez I hope not, and would doubt that)

-If he purchases and installs a 4th gen mag body for his grandfathered mag, does that violate CPC 32310 (a)?

-If he purchases and installs a 4th gen mag body, spring, and follower for his grandfathered mag's floorplate, does that violate CPC 32310 (a)?


Apologies for deviating from the original question, but I think it's an interesting topic. Cable Guy, I'd love to learn more from your insight. Thanks!

Generally speaking, if he had 4 15 rounders prior to Jan 1, 2000, then at the end of all of his rebuilding and replacing, he should not end up with more than 4.

Now if someone else were to buy a "kit" then magically go from 0 15 rounders prior to Jan 1, 2000, to more than 0, they likely violated the "manufacturing" aspect of the law, though the burden of proof would be on the prosecution.

If someone with mags from the mid-90s has had magazines since then, but over the years they have become old and deteriorated, replacing components, or even the entire magazine with new components is still more or less considered repairing the magazine. However, they should never end up with more high-caps than they originally had to start with. The old components would need to be separated into components, and not assembled as a magazine.

I am not a lawyer, but over the years, this is what I observed to be the generally accepted interpretations of the law.

[envelope]

I think your top-down holistic answer tackles the 'intent' of the law, rather than letting the interpretation of the technicalities get in the way of its intended purpose. Thank you for your response

[trendar5]

I suspect it would matter, because at that point, it could be considered "built from a rebuild kit" which is susceptible to the CA state law of 10rds max.

I would also always double check the counties, which you're living/traveling through. In example, Sunnyvale has deemed it a felony to own any mag larger than 10rds despite the grandfathering in '96

Sunnyvale's idiotic ordinance is just a City municipal code, not a felony. Felony means you could face State prison time.