1911 Shooting Low

[nahpungnome]

So all other pistols you have you're able to dill the 9 ring at 25 yards, and erase the X ring at 10?

Army Marksmanship Unit's Pistol Training Guide:

http://www.bullseyepistol.com/amucover.htm

All pistols are going to group if the sights aren't moving around. i.e. the barrel and sight relationship is constant with each shot.

My money is on flinching.

Oh yea.................why is it no one ever complains about shooing high?

I certainly hope that nobody would admit shooting high :P

[Sergius]

Thanks all for the advice, I'll try shooting off a sandbag or letting a proficient shooter use the pistol and report back.

[Elchief]

make sure you aim according to the type of sights you have as in combat sights vs target sights. how are you aiming your gun, covering it with the front sight dot as you would with combat sights or cutting the target in half with the top of the front sight?

[Sergius]

I'm using a 6 o'clock hold. So underneath the target.

[XDJYo]

A few things to consider.

1-How far is the target? 7 yards? 10? 15 or 25?
2-How far underneath the target do you hold? (In my limited experience, I find that if I put the "x" of the bullseye right on top of the top of the front sight, I can hit the X no problem. If I put the bottom of the black circle of the target, I will hit the bottom of the black circle of the target.

Just those few things will help us understand a little bit better what is happening when you shoot.

Hope this helps bud!

[Sergius]

A few things to consider.

1-How far is the target? 7 yards? 10? 15 or 25?
2-How far underneath the target do you hold? (In my limited experience, I find that if I put the "x" of the bullseye right on top of the top of the front sight, I can hit the X no problem. If I put the bottom of the black circle of the target, I will hit the bottom of the black circle of the target.

Just those few things will help us understand a little bit better what is happening when you shoot.

Hope this helps bud!

At 15, 6 o'clock hold, I hit underneath the black circle. At 10 yards, same hold, hitting underneath the bottom of the black circle. Guess that's part of the problem. I'll remember to hold it under the X. Mind you I'm a rifle shooter and use a 6 o'clock hold and hit the 10 or 9 ring no problem.

[XDJYo]

At 15, 6 o'clock hold, I hit underneath the black circle. At 10 yards, same hold, hitting underneath the bottom of the black circle. Guess that's part of the problem. I'll remember to hold it under the X. Mind you I'm a rifle shooter and use a 6 o'clock hold and hit the 10 or 9 ring no problem.

Try the 2nd sight picture on your next range visit and see if that doesn't solve most of the problem.

http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/attachments/firing-line/59139d1372785296-6-o-clock-hold-explanation-request-6-o-clock-poa.jpg

[akdmx]

Are you shooting 230gr bullets? You probably have your gun calibrated for 180gr. Those heavy 45s really do drop like a sack of potatoes. (jk)

[ruchik]

I'm using a 6 o'clock hold. So underneath the target.

Well there's your problem. Take a look at the following three pictures.



I'm assuming you're using the sight picture on the left. Try the middle and right ones and that should take care of your problem. There's nothing wrong with your sights; your gun is sending your bullets below the black because that's where your gun is aiming.

[Speedpower]

Unfortunately, my range doesn't have sandbags available, nor do I have any. I'd like to get some try, I'm not taking myself out of the equation.

My front sight height is whatever came stock on a Colt O1991. It looks pretty tall to me. Definitely not GI style. If I had to guess, I'd say the front sight is about 5mm's in height.

EDIT: Just measured the height and it is in fact 5mm's in height.

5mm front sight is about .197 so it's either a .195 or a .200 front sight which is too tall, all Colts I've got had .180 and it shoots POA/POI, no wonder it shoots low, you definitely need a lower front sight

[Elchief]

can you post pics of your front and rear sights

[Elchief]

Well there's your problem. Take a look at the following three pictures.



I'm assuming you're using the sight picture on the left. Try the middle and right ones and that should take care of your problem. There's nothing wrong with your sights; your gun is sending your bullets below the black because that's where your gun is aiming.

yea shooting at 6 o clock is prob the problem like it was mentioned try the the middle one which is target sights and if its still shooting low try pic 3 which are combat sights.

[Spaceghost]

I was expecting a RIA tactical to be the culprit. It seems a lot of people have them shoot low.

[bulletblood]

just get this, can be used with a wide range of calibers, and you will save a ton of ammo on testing and second guessing.

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[sid.nachman]

Thanks for answer on shooting low. I've been shooting off-hand about 10 yards with my sig P938, getting 2" groups right under bull about a foot low. Haven't tried bench shooting as yet. My 22A1 with a red tight sight shoots 1" bulls eyes shooting off-hand at same distance. Any more suggestions!


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