Could someone please explain something

[GaryED46]

The other day I went to a Pawn shop near me and found a Taurus tracker 5 shot 44Mag. Brand new I loved it the moment I saw it and said write it up. After 20 minutes of the clerk looking at his computer he informed me that it had fallen off the roster two days before and they had not caught it. Now he can only sell it to LEO's or former LEOs

Please explain how the Gun changed....

on the 14th it was listed and ok to buy.. on the 16th off the list not ok to buy. Its still the same gun on the 16th... I don't get it

Gary

[munkeeboi]

that's how the roster works. If the manuf doesn't pay to renew, it is deemed no longer on the safe roster list and no longer avail to the common people of CA

[nahpungnome]

If you look at the roster, there's an expiration date. Manufacturers can renew the listed firearm or simply let it fall off. I was looking at a S&W 1911 and thought I had a few weeks, but they pulled it off roster even before the listed expiration date.

[NIKSD]

Explanation- the rooster is designed to ban or limit our ability to purchase guns. It has nothing to do with safety. For more info-

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=81127

[ElDub1950]

That's the way it works. It mfg doesn't renew it, new ones can no longer be sold. Sucks don't it?

[vintagearms]

Legal extortion.

[hossb7]

Legal extortion.

No one is coercing you to buy handguns...

I get your point of view but it's not extortion.

[Haplo]

Explanation- the rooster is designed to ban or limit our ability to purchase guns. It has nothing to do with safety. For more info-
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...ad.php?t=81127

Damn rooster, surprised it hasn't banned de-cockers.

[SoldierLife7]

No one is coercing you to buy handguns...

I get your point of view but it's not extortion.

I think you are looking at it the wrong way...

Extortion is defined as the practice of obtaining something, esp. money, through force or threats.

The people buying the handguns are not the victim of extortion. The manufacturers are the victims. If they (the manufacturers) don't pay the "extortion" fee, they aren't allowed to sell their product in this state...

IANAL, but I think that the state threatening the manufacturers with "pay up or I will force you to lose a large fraction of customer base" meets the definition of extortion.

[GaryED46]

How can it be seen as anything but a slow creeping gun ban and legalized extortion. Basically the state government is saying you want to sell in our state pay us money. Plus a slow creeping ban on ownership.

The fact that the gun was exactly the same before and after it fell off the list is proof.

Gary

[NIKSD]

We /the gun owners and politicians/ all know what the rooster is. We know why the rooster is part of the law. We know what the rooster does.
The majority of the people are too blind to see the obvious. Politicians do what is popular, what sounds good for the people that vote for them. "Safe guns" sound great! "We will be all equal, no poor people, etc." sounded great for the mass- communism was born...
Politicians do what the people allow them to do. We are pissed of the politicians, at the stupid laws, at...
Look around, this is what the blind ignorant people want. Or at least most of them. Politicians just explore the tolerance and blindness of the majority. And they will, until is too late.

[hossb7]

I think you are looking at it the wrong way...

Extortion is defined as the practice of obtaining something, esp. money, through force or threats.

The people buying the handguns are not the victim of extortion. The manufacturers are the victims. If they (the manufacturers) don't pay the "extortion" fee, they aren't allowed to sell their product in this state...

IANAL, but I think that the state threatening the manufacturers with "pay up or I will force you to lose a large fraction of customer base" meets the definition of extortion.

I doubt they'll loose a large portion of their customer base. Look at S&W and Ruger. They're pulling up stakes on A LOT of their models and I congratulate them for it.

[MisplacedTexan]

Pawn shop error of omission. They "should" have known better than to buy a gun w/o first looking at the expiry date on the dreaded roster. And then to make sure the drop off date was after the surrender date on the pawn ticket plus a margin of whatever their turn on guns are. They just F'd them selves in limiting their customer population to LEO only (and I don't know, but I doubt many would be buying firearms from pawn shops)

Their (the pawn shop) is probably going to be to sell it out of state where the roster doesn't exist.

[GaryED46]

Pawn shop error of omission. They "should" have known better than to buy a gun w/o first looking at the expiry date on the dreaded roster. And then to make sure the drop off date was after the surrender date on the pawn ticket plus a margin of whatever their turn on guns are. They just F'd them selves in limiting their customer population to LEO only (and I don't know, but I doubt many would be buying firearms from pawn shops)

Their (the pawn shop) is probably going to be to sell it out of state where the roster doesn't exist.

Yep thats exactly what the guy told me they'd be selling it out of state.

Gary

[Oldmandan]

Damn, it's a good thing the roster saved you from buying that Taurus. They're just to dangerous for us Californians to own...