My Handgun Gripes with Certain Manufacturers

[Gannicus]

Most of this is my opinion so you fanboys please relax. Go easy on the flaming.

Glock

Why the hell do most of your frames have pig noses (dust cover warping up)? 4 generations and it still plagues your line. I know it doesn't interfere with function but damn. Perfection my a**. Glocks are the only polymer pistols with this problem. *S&W Sigmas had this problem as well, but then again they were rip-offs of Glocks...even the pig nose.

Sig Sauer

Why the hell would you let your fine pistols fall from the roster only to replace the models with unwanted LCI's and mag disconnect features? Were there any improvements that required you to get the guns retested instead of just renewing?

Smith & Wesson

Why the hell did you place internal locks on your awesome revolvers that no one asked for and everyone loathes? Are lawyers running your company?

Why the hell is there no factory parts available for your M&P line from front sights to back straps? For huge online retailers like Brownells and Midway USA to be out of stock for this long is inexcusable. Support your line and your customers.

Springfield Armory

Where the hell are your MC Operators? I've been on nearly every damn LGS's wish list since 2010. That's nearly 4 years! Stop putting all your resources to the XD/M/s line (which you don't even manufacture) and make some 1911s. You outsource your lower line of 1911s to Brazil anyway. Do you wish for me to purchase second-hand which you won't see a dime? Even if I found one new, it'll most likely be overpriced since they are so hard to get. And you won't see a dime of that profit margin either. Get to work!

Heckler & Kock

Why the hell do you hate the civilian market? Is this why your guns soooo are overpriced? Are your polymer frames infused with materials not obtainable on earth? What makes your plastic guns so special that they cost nearly double that of other similar guns? Get your head out of the clouds.


-Rant over.

[jrara]

What no Walther rant?

Walther annoys me with parts. Can't find recoil spring assemblies

[trigger945]

Most of this is my opinion so you fanboys please relax. Go easy on the flaming.

Springfield Armory

Where the hell are your MC Operators? I've been on nearly every damn LGS's wish list since 2010. That's nearly 4 years! Stop putting all your resources to the XD/M/s line (which you don't even manufacture) and make some 1911s. You outsource your lower line of 1911s to Brazil anyway. Do you wish for me to purchase second-hand which you won't see a dime? Even if I found one new, it'll most likely be overpriced since they are so hard to get. And you won't see a dime of that profit margin either. Get to work!


-Rant over.

Would you consider a used one? There are two in the marketplace - both in LA area - if you are so inclined...

[Cheezle56]

Plenty of things to whine about Beretta:
Polymer parts on the 92, ****ty workmanship on the USA made ones, sharp safety on the PX4, Lack of target model 92's, no Italian Inox in this country, Arrogance...

[ruchik]

I think I know why Sig let their guns fall of the roster and reintroduced with LCI's and whatnot. They switched over to using MIM on some of their parts a while ago, so I would assume that forced them to retest.

You forgot to add that they also added 23984616284012 new handguns to their lineup. I don't see what was wrong with their P226, P228/9, or P239 to have to do that. Seriously, some of the guns they're offering makes me wonder how the company hasn't gone out of business yet. Reminds me of Germany during the later stages of World War 2; lots of new tech that came too late or failed, instead of focusing on building and improving the already superb weapons at their disposal.

[Gannicus]

What no Walther rant?

Walther annoys me with parts. Can't find recoil spring assemblies

I don't really have plans to own Walther guns. The ones that I wouldn't mind having, like the PPQ are off-roster, and I don't like them that much to SSE them. If the parts are like you say, hard to find...all the more reason.

Would you consider a used one? There are two in the marketplace - both in LA area - if you are so inclined...

Nope. Not at those prices and distance (I live near Barstow). Maybe if I knew the owner somewhat or at least be able to inspect the gun without driving 100+ miles. And if I'm going to overpay, it's going to be brand new. I also prefer having the peace of mind of a manufacturer's warranty. Thanks anyway.

Plenty of things to whine about Beretta:
Polymer parts on the 92, ****ty workmanship on the USA made ones, sharp safety on the PX4, Lack of target model 92's, no Italian Inox in this country, Arrogance...

Yeah, tell me about it. My new M9A1 has it's whatever coating on the slide flake off about 1.5mm below the "Made in USA" stamp. Zero rounds fired. At first, I thought some gunk was stuck there so I scraped at it with my fingernail and...

I think I know why Sig let their guns fall of the roster and reintroduced with LCI's and whatnot. They switched over to using MIM on some of their parts a while ago, so I would assume that forced them to retest.

If your right about that then...

[zman]

Glock

Why the hell do most of your frames have pig noses (dust cover warping up)? 4 generations and it still plagues your line. I know it doesn't interfere with function but damn. Perfection my a**. Glocks are the only polymer pistols with this problem. *S&W Sigmas had this problem as well, but then again they were rip-offs of Glocks...even the pig nose.

Man, I do hate this regarding Glocks Come on now Glock!

[Fishslayer]

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Heckler & Kock

Why the hell do you hate the civilian market?
-Rant over.

Because we suck...

[jrara]

Walther makes nice guns but the support system is not yet in place.

I am hoping it will be soon.

I don't really have plans to own Walther guns. The ones that I wouldn't mind having, like the PPQ are off-roster, and I don't like them that much to SSE them. If the parts are like you say, hard to find...all the more reason.



Nope. Not at those prices and distance (I live near Barstow). Maybe if I knew the owner somewhat or at least be able to inspect the gun without driving 100+ miles. And if I'm going to overpay, it's going to be brand new. I also prefer having the peace of mind of a manufacturer's warranty. Thanks anyway.



Yeah, tell me about it. My new M9A1 has it's whatever coating on the slide flake off about 1.5mm below the "Made in USA" stamp. Zero rounds fired. At first, I thought some gunk was stuck there so I scraped at it with my fingernail and...



If your right about that then...

[ersatz]

Walther makes nice guns but the support system is not yet in place.

I am hoping it will be soon.

That's what's currently dissuading me from picking up a PPQ M1.

[ScottsBad]

OK, I'll play. I'm not much of a pistol guy, but here are some of my gripes.

Glock - I do not care for the grip angle and ergonomics, but I've not spent anytime with the Gen4 so it may be better, but I doubt it. Trigger has never been that great even after changing the disconnector to Ghost.

HK - I don't get this company they seem like they are always behind the curve of innovation. Just now getting to a striker fired model? Cost is ridiculous, especially when compared to a Glock. I don't see why you pay twice as much, they are certainly not twice as reliable or twice as accurate. Recently, I was in the market for a new pistol and I was willing to pay HK prices, but they just didn't end up in my top 5.

Walther - I bought a couple PPQ M2s, why put plastic sights on an otherwise high quality pistol? Had to order Trijicon sights. This is just dumb. Also, there are two different magazines for the PPQ. One for the PPQ M1 and one for the PPQ M2. Otherwise, I love these pistols even if I did have to SSE them.

Berretta - PX4, really? I spent time with a new one of these my buddy has. Yuck, I was prepared to like it, but there are some things that are just weird. First, for some reason the mags are much more difficult to load than any pistol I have owned. Something about the design of the magazine, but loading without the loader is difficult. JMHO. Then after a couple hundred rounds the groups started to open up and we couldn't figure out why.

I do like the simplicity of the PX4 operating system and it is easy to clean, but I prefer a simple striker fired weapon for self-defense. The ergonomics are good.

[The Gleam]

Smith & Wesson

Why the hell did you place internal locks on your awesome revolvers that no one asked for and everyone loathes? Are lawyers running your company?

While there are no real answers for your other rants, the above has more than enough back-story from the Clinton era, and the PREVIOUS motives of the PRIOR owners of Smith & Wesson, slating it in March 2000. There is likely even a Wikipedia page dedicated to it.

http://www.luckygunner.com/lounge/smith-and-wesson-internal-lock/

That said, I am not sure why the new owners have not discontinued the feature, other than...

1) It may have been a contractual bargaining chip by Tomkins PLC for the purchase of Smith & Wesson that the buyers were to keep the internal frame-embedded locks, or

2) Considering that second sentence in your query; putting it on once, it's akin to an admission of its purpose is/was useful and prevented accidental child shootings - remove it, and it opens up liability and aggressive lawsuits should a child get hold of a gun that would have otherwise would have had a previous internal lock feature that could have prevented the child from shooting the gun if locked, even though it's unlikely anyone uses these locks at all, whether they have children in the home or not; but the crux of it is:

Dear Smith & Wesson: DO YOU HONESTLY KNOW OF, OR EVEN THINK, THAT ANYONE, GUN ENTHUSIAST OR NOT, SINGLE-GUN OWNER OR NOT, LAW ENFORCEMENT OR FIRST-TIME GUN OWNER, ACTUALLY USES THAT DAMNED INTERNAL LOCK ON ANY S&W REVOLVER?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_and_Wesson#Internal_locking_mechanism

In March 2000 Smith & Wesson was the only major gun manufacturer to sign an agreement with the Clinton Administration.

The company agreed to numerous safety and design standards as well as limits on the sale and distribution of its products. Gun clubs and gun rights groups responded to this agreement by initiating large-scale boycotts of Smith & Wesson and by consumers refusing to buy their new products while Police agencies flooded the firearms market with used S&W guns. The sudden flood of used guns came primarily from law enforcement agencies that were trading their department issued revolvers for semi-automatic pistols, additionally the trade in pistols were often considered better quality than the revolver products being produce by Smith and Wesson during the late 1990's.

After a 40% sales slide, the sales impact from the boycotts led Smith & Wesson to suspend manufacturing at two plants. The success of the boycott led to a Federal Trade Commission antitrust investigation's being initiated under the Clinton administration, targeting gun dealers and gun rights groups, which was subsequently dropped in 2003. This agreement signed by Tomkins PLC ended with the sale of Smith & Wesson to the Saf-T-Hammer Corporation. The new company (Smith and Wesson Holding Corporation), which publicly renounced the agreement, was received positively by the firearms community.

On 11 May 2001, Saf-T-Hammer Corporation acquired Smith & Wesson Corp. from Tomkins PLC for US$15 million, a fraction of the US$112 million originally paid by Tomkins. Saf-T-Hammer assumed US$30 million in debt, bringing the total purchase price to US$45 million. Saf-T-Hammer, a manufacturer of gun locks and other firearms safety products, purchased the company with the intention of incorporating its line of security products into all Smith & Wesson firearms in compliance with the 2000 agreement.

The acquisition of Smith & Wesson was chiefly brokered by Saf-T-Hammer President Bob Scott, who had left Smith & Wesson in 1999 because of a disagreement with Tomkins’ policies. After the purchase, Scott became the president of Smith & Wesson to guide the 157-year-old company back to its former standing in the market.

On 15 February 2002, the name of the newly formed entity was changed to Smith & Wesson Holding Corporation.

[357magnum]

[QUOTE=Gannicus;13755082]Most of this is my opinion so you fanboys please relax. Go easy on the flaming.

Glock

Why the hell do most of your frames have pig noses (dust cover warping up)? 4 generations and it still plagues your line. I know it doesn't interfere with function but damn. Perfection my a**. Glocks are the only polymer pistols with this problem. *S&W Sigmas had this problem as well, but then again they were rip-offs of Glocks...even the pig nose.



Heckler & Kock

Why the hell do you hate the civilian market? Is this why your guns soooo are overpriced? Are your polymer frames infused with materials not obtainable on earth? What makes your plastic guns so special that they cost nearly double that of other similar guns? Get your head out of the clouds.


I agree 100%

[MrExel17]

Sure used the word "Hell alot" lol....OP I agree with you 100%! Well stated!

[Digital Fixer]

Scottsbad: the HK P7, which came out around 1980, was striker fired.