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  • customiiguy
    Senior Member
    • Dec 2012
    • 1666

    FFL that has off roster guns

    Does anyone know of any gun shops in socal that have an m&p shield or any off roster guns.. my brother will be back from the army and said he will buy one and ppt it to me. Thanks!
    Last edited by customiiguy; 02-15-2014, 11:37 AM.
  • #2
    The Gleam
    I need a LIFE!!
    • Feb 2011
    • 13143

    Originally posted by customiiguy
    Does anyone know of any gun shops that have an mo shield or any off roster guns.. my brother will be back from the army and said he will buy one for me and ppt to me. Thanks
    If they have off-roster guns, it's because they are selling guns that are: Used guns, on consignment.

    Single-Action revolvers of a certain barrel length, and guns that are single-shot only (or SSE), technically are NOT "off-roster" guns because they were never applicable to the roster in the first place.

    See how that works?
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    Originally posted by Librarian
    What compelling interest has any level of government in knowing what guns are owned by civilians? (Those owned by government should be inventoried and tracked, for exactly the same reasons computers and desks and chairs are tracked: responsible care of public property.)

    If some level of government had that information, what would they do with it? How would having that info benefit public safety? How would it benefit law enforcement?

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    • #3
      teg33
      Veteran Member
      • May 2013
      • 3441

      CA FFL can only sell new of roster gun to CA LEO. Unless your army brother buy it from another state and PPT to you in CA.

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      • #4
        Dattebayo
        Senior Member
        • Apr 2013
        • 2344

        Originally posted by customiiguy
        Does anyone know of any gun shops in socal that have an m&p shield or any off roster guns.. my brother will be back from the army and said he will buy one and ppt it to me. Thanks!
        Unfortunately, Military members are not exempted from the CA safe handgun list.

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        • #5
          BoJackUSMC
          Calguns Addict
          • Aug 2010
          • 7091

          I do not think he is exemped from the roster just because he is in the Army.

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          • #6
            rromeo
            Calguns Addict
            • Sep 2009
            • 6981

            Even if he was exempt, buying it with the intent to PPT to you is a federal crime. That may change in June, but that's how it is for now.
            Never initiate force against another. That should be the underlying principle of your life. But should someone do violence to you, retaliate without hesitation, without reservation, without quarter, until you are sure that he will never wish to harm - or never be capable of harming - you or yours again.

            - from THE SECOND BOOK OF KYFHO
            (Revised Eastern Sect Edition)

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            • #7
              SoulStealer
              AFreePeopleOughtToBeArmed
              CGN Contributor - Lifetime
              • Dec 2011
              • 1804

              Originally posted by customiiguy
              Does anyone know of any gun shops in socal that have an m&p shield or any off roster guns.. my brother will be back from the army and said he will buy one and ppt it to me. Thanks!
              Mike at EBR Works has the Shield in stock. Buy it yourself and save you and your brother the possible frustration and hassle. Just SSE it.

              $549

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              • #8
                ChrisBrooklyn
                Senior Member
                • Jan 2013
                • 1308

                Originally posted by rromeo
                Even if he was exempt, buying it with the intent to PPT to you is a federal crime. That may change in June, but that's how it is for now.

                No it isn't. He can buy a gun with the intent to give it as a gift through ppt.

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                • #9
                  The Gleam
                  I need a LIFE!!
                  • Feb 2011
                  • 13143

                  Originally posted by rromeo
                  Even if he was exempt, buying it with the intent to PPT to you is a federal crime. That may change in June, but that's how it is for now.
                  No. That is not a straw purchase. He is not buying it for someone who is prohibited. He is buying it, doing the 4473/forms, etc. in his name.

                  Then, at some later time he is selling it by way of PPT, with 4473 and forms to a person who is not prohibited.

                  And in some other states, even where a PPT by way of 4473 and documentation is NOT required, it is STILL not a straw-man purchase to then FTF sell it to a person who is not prohibited. It's merely a gift to someone that can legally own a firearm where such a transfer would be legal (depending on the variables).
                  Last edited by The Gleam; 02-15-2014, 12:51 PM.
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                  Originally posted by Librarian
                  What compelling interest has any level of government in knowing what guns are owned by civilians? (Those owned by government should be inventoried and tracked, for exactly the same reasons computers and desks and chairs are tracked: responsible care of public property.)

                  If some level of government had that information, what would they do with it? How would having that info benefit public safety? How would it benefit law enforcement?

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                  • #10
                    SoulStealer
                    AFreePeopleOughtToBeArmed
                    CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                    • Dec 2011
                    • 1804

                    First, we do not even know if the brother is exempt yet?? If he isn't, none of this applies. SSE the firearm and be done with it.

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                    • #11
                      BoJackUSMC
                      Calguns Addict
                      • Aug 2010
                      • 7091

                      Originally posted by SoulStealer
                      First, we do not even know if the brother is exempt yet?? If he isn't, none of this applies. SSE the firearm and be done with it.
                      ^This
                      Is your brother peace officer or just regular Army soldier?

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                      • #12
                        Sojournertruth
                        Banned
                        • Feb 2014
                        • 270

                        +1 for EBR

                        quick easy no nonsense service

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                        • #13
                          customiiguy
                          Senior Member
                          • Dec 2012
                          • 1666

                          He is e6 warrant officer.... Oh I thought military was exempt from the roster..I do.t wanna break any laws so ill just sse myself I guess

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                          • #14
                            Trenchfoot
                            Calguns Addict
                            • Dec 2012
                            • 7293

                            Originally posted by customiiguy
                            He is e6 warrant officer.... Oh I thought military was exempt from the roster..I do.t wanna break any laws so ill just sse myself I guess
                            Military is not exempt. I had to SSE all my non rostered guns.

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                            • #15
                              BoJackUSMC
                              Calguns Addict
                              • Aug 2010
                              • 7091

                              Sorry Custom,
                              He is not a peace officer so he cant buy off roster handgun like CA peace officer. You are just better off doing SSE.

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