Question about DOJ "approved" list

[Otony]

Hello folks,

It has been a long time since I posted here, feels nice to visit the old place.

Those few of you who remember me may recall that we moved to Washington almost five years ago. I could go on about how great it is, our farm, cool toys, blah-blah-blah, but in truth I am here because I really need your expert assistance.

Since March, I have been working in a pawnshop/gunshop owned by a friend. We sell a LOT of guns, and we occasionally post guns on Gunbroker. Therein lies the rub.

We recently took in a SIG P220ST on consignment and listed it on GB for the client. I have a buyer in California who wants it BADLY, but I can't get a straight answer from him regarding DOJ compliance.

I see an all stainless SIG P220 listed on the DOJ website, but not specifically as a P220ST. Furthermore, our client informs me that this particular model (that is to say, his exact pistol) was discontinued in 2007 and replaced by a similar version with the same model designation.

Guys, I know guns fairly well, but I'm no expert in production minutia, and don't know for sure if my client is certain either (he is fairly old, and I'm getting there).

So! To keep it simple. Is a SIG P220ST approved down there? Would this one from approximately 2006 or so still be approved?

I thank you all in advance, and mega kudos for fighting the good fight down there.

[Varg Vikernes]

Doesn't look like it from this list:

http://certguns.doj.ca.gov/safeguns_resp.asp

He can still get it shipped in, but he'll have to convert it to a single shot pistol.

[smak28]

It has to be the exact model listed so the "ST" version is not legal to register. However as Varg mentioned, your client can find a FFL that will do an SSE (single shot exemption).

[Otony]

Soooo, single shot exemption? Guess I have a bit of reading to do, eh?

I don't think I am going too far out on a limb if I compare this to the fellows who convert Smith & Wesson DA revolvers to SA so as to get 'em in? Not sure how you convert a semi-auto pistola to a single shot but you guys are nothing if not perseverent down there.

[uhlan1]

Your client may be able to find and contact an FFL listed here.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=383692

Good of you to work with him. So many just state "No sales to California".

[electric7]

So, it was originally approved by the DOJ. However, when the model was discontinued, Sig did not have any reason to renew the certification. Is this what's going on here? I do know someone who purchased the P220ST new in California around 2007.

[Otony]

Yes, so far as I know, it was once approved.

Apparently these are still made, in one form or another, but no longer approved. the prospective buyer keeps sending me emails imploring me to ship it to Vinnies Guns in Santa Rosa, but will not respond to any questions regarding approval. Guess it will sell elsewhere.

Tried my best, I did.

[kemasa]

It has to be an exact match and any changes will mean it is not considered to be on the list, including engraving, color changes, etc. Just because it was once on the list does not matter.

With that said, get secure payment (not a credit card) and then ship it. If he can't transfer it, it is his problem. He could be LEO and be exempt.

[Otony]

Well, in theory I suppose I could do that, but in practice I wouldn't saddle someone with a problem like that. If he is LE, then he should let me know. Otherwise, we sell it elsewhere.

We are in no hurry, shop has been there for over 20 years. We have guns in inventory in the back that have been there years. It will sell when it sells.

[electric7]

Is this the version with the internal extractor on the slide? The recent ones have an external extractor, which would most likely have a different model number.

[sickboybrad]

I had a question about a gun too. I sent an email to the ca doj. I got a phone call back the next day.
Nice person on the other end.
I asked if the #'s on the box/ doj web site had to match.
She said no, but the gun needs to be the same gun, with out high cap mags. She said as long as the gun is listed on the doj site and is the same gun I'm good.
The gun was good to go, and if I had a problem to contact her, and she will tell them the law.
I got the gun
Cz75bd police box # UPC: 806703911304
SKU: 91130 no mags.
The doj has it listed as 01130. Doj says that's the test model #. Gun just needs to be the same gun, no high cap mags.
You are buying the gun not the box or the mags.
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