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  • Hank15
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2011
    • 995

    Redefining "custom"

    The reason I am starting this thread is because I've seen too many newbie gun owners being taken advantage of because of the misuse and liberal use of the word "custom".

    This happens way too often in many situations. One of which is auctions, where the pressure of winning the bid in combination of trying to score on a "custom" gun often trap unsuspecting buyers into an overpriced "custom" gun. The other happens on our home turf in the classifieds.

    I am wondering if we can come up with different/better ways to use and/or define the word custom. As in, just because a few things are different about a firearm, they don't necessarily nominate the firearm as a custom.

    For example, one of the recently emerged variation, "semi custom", conveys a lot more information to 1911 enthusiasts. We now know what to expect out of semi custom gun shops, and what to reject. We have more standardized qualifications for what constitutes a semi custom 1911. We know that it's unreasonable to expect a Colt custom shop pistol to be on par with a Wilson Combat. We also know that Wilson Combat can't necessarily compete with pistols built by Rogers or CT Brian.

    The same can't really be said for other firearms. One of the most common and disturbing ads I've seen in the classifieds is "Custom Glock with Stippling". One of my best friends almost paid $200 above MSRP for a standard Glock that someone defined as custom because he took a $10 soldering iron and spent 45 minutes poking it.

    Now I understand that as long as you make a gun fit you, it can be considered a custom. But let's set a market's/commercial's/layman's standard for what makes a custom gun so no one gets taken advantage of.

    In my opinion, if you can't provide the work order by the smith/business that worked on your gun, you shouldn't advertise your gun as "custom".

    What else does it take for a gun to be considered custom (at least in the calguns marketplace)? Share your thoughts below.
  • #2
    Uglyd
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2013
    • 1320

    This boils down to buyer awareness. Ask questions, do research and get burned a few times. They'll learn. No way to plug that dam my friend.
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    • #3
      S0M1L9S
      Member
      • Jul 2013
      • 218

      Buyer should be edumacated like anything in life, +1 buyer beware.

      Heck, let's even start with new: Custom-ii

      Can't blame people from marketing and promoting their stuff.

      GL, on a baseline custom, same as market price baseline, everyone will have a different opinion.
      We can not even agree on a baseline new price .

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      • #4
        speedrrracer
        Veteran Member
        • Dec 2011
        • 3355

        Cannot fix stupid, but perhaps you can provide a doc, which the mods might sticky for the benefit of buyers in the classified section. List what questions to ask, some good methods to exchange funds, maybe some escrow businesses, etc.

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        • #5
          Hank15
          Senior Member
          • Nov 2011
          • 995

          ^

          Excellent ideas.

          Would it be okay to request we sticky something like "Caution when buying custom guns" in the private marketplace?

          I think some questions can reveal a lot about a "custom" gun.

          To keep things organized and promote continuity, let's add some questions and number them in each post (following the order of the post above you).

          I'll start:

          1) Can seller provide documentation for work performed?

          2) Is the smith who worked on it reputable or popular? If not, is his/her work documented in threads/online image hosting/website?

          3) Can the firearm be tested prior to purchasing? <== think this one is pretty damn important, considering many companies won't honor their warranty after a gun has been worked on.

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          • #6
            JDay
            I need a LIFE!!
            • Nov 2008
            • 19393

            If a gun has had custom work done to it the resale value actually decreases.
            Oppressors can tyrannize only when they achieve a standing army, an enslaved press, and a disarmed populace. -- James Madison

            The Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms. -- Samuel Adams, Debates and Proceedings in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, 86-87 (Pearce and Hale, eds., Boston, 1850)

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            • #7
              gigglemonkee
              Senior Member
              • May 2012
              • 1512

              I have custom guns and know the money put into them is "lost" but then I don't ever plan on selling them and use them quite a bit for competition.

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              • #8
                tradecraft
                Veteran Member
                • Jul 2008
                • 4624

                What a silly thread. Apparently "unsuspecting buyers" are just people who are too lazy to do their own research.
                Link to my feedback: https://www.calguns.net/forum/market...ser-tradecraft

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                • #9
                  Fishslayer
                  In Memoriam
                  • Jan 2010
                  • 13035

                  Originally posted by JDay
                  If a gun has had custom work done to it the resale value actually decreases.
                  Not always if the work was done by a big name 'smith and you have documentation.

                  Now, kitchen table Bubba jobs and parts swap "customization".... yeah, absolutely.
                  "He is your friend, your partner, your defender, your dog.
                  You are his life, his love, his leader. He will be yours, faithful and true, to the last beat of his heart.
                  You owe it to him to be worthy of such devotion."


                  Originally Posted by JackRydden224
                  I hope Ruger pays the extortion fees for the SR1911. I mean the gun is just as good if not better than a Les Baer.
                  Originally posted by redcliff
                  A Colt collector shooting Rugers is like Hugh Grant cheating on Elizabeth Hurley with a hooker.

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                  • #10
                    Hank15
                    Senior Member
                    • Nov 2011
                    • 995

                    Not always if the work was done by a big name 'smith and you have documentation.

                    Now, kitchen table Bubba jobs and parts swap "customization".... yeah, absolutely.
                    ^
                    Exactly. I don't want my friends or anyone's friends to buy a Bubba custom.

                    We're not creating a rule or law, more so a warning to unsuspecting buyers. Also consider that many newbies are reluctant to start threads because sometimes people can be dismissive or condescending.

                    This would be similar to the "revolver checkout" procedure that's stickied.

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                    • #11
                      Hank15
                      Senior Member
                      • Nov 2011
                      • 995

                      ^
                      Got to agree that's pretty ridiculous. If you order a hot coffee you should know it's hot.

                      I guess the same reasoning goes with "if you buy a custom gun you should know what makes it custom".

                      Well, if we're not going to make a sticky at least educate your own friends so they don't fall prey to these traps? That's what I am going to do.

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                      • #12
                        Revoman
                        Senior Member
                        • Dec 2007
                        • 2376

                        The same scenario holds true for 'RARE'.

                        I see that on many or more threads than 'custom'. I usually simply pass those ads up and read on.

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                        • #13
                          Bobby Ricigliano
                          Mit Gott und Mauser
                          CGN Contributor
                          • Feb 2011
                          • 17439

                          Buyer beware, but i don't like 'custom' guns either. In the C&R world custom just means bubba'd. I also will never buy a handgun, especially a revolver, that has had trigger work done. The last thing I need is a light strike if I ever had to use it in self defense.

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                          • #14
                            Tripeaks69
                            Senior Member
                            • Mar 2011
                            • 942

                            Will you consider this rifle a CUSTOM 10/22? All parts are aftermarket except the magazine, the only part with RUGER marking..

                            Built by Randall, AR15Barrel

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                            • #15
                              johnny_boy02
                              Senior Member
                              • Oct 2011
                              • 1480

                              Originally posted by Tripeaks69
                              Will you consider this rifle a CUSTOM 10/22? All parts are aftermarket except the magazine, the only part with RUGER marking..

                              Built by Randall, AR15Barrel

                              Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD
                              Aftermafket and custom are two different things. I don't consider a Jeep with a bunch of bolt on mass produced parts custom and the same goes for a gun.

                              People need to be smarter. Years ago I got screwed on a truck deal. Ever since then I have done my research.

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