H&K P7M13 9mm Review

[k1dude]

I wish HK would start making them again. I wonder why they don't?

[Edwood]

I missed the boat. Just too freaking expensive now, even for P7M8. Prices people are asking are not reasonable to me, when I could get two brand new current production H&K's for. Which is what I ended up doing instead. Maybe if I could find a decent deal, but as time goes along it's just not likely.

[redcliff]

I missed the boat. Just too freaking expensive now, even for P7M8. Prices people are asking are not reasonable to me, when I could get two brand new current production H&K's for. Which is what I ended up doing instead. Maybe if I could find a decent deal, but as time goes along it's just not likely.

Keep your eyes open, I found a n.i.b. P7 here at Calguns a couple years ago for $775 Occasionally you see West German Police trade-ins for around $800 in free states; they're a ***** to SSE though; I don't think anyone is doing them. Got any parents/grandparent/children living in free states?

[JeremyS]

Got my P7 a year ago for $600 even. Really great condition, but just a single mag. Deals are out there. It's one of my absolute all-time favorite guns, no question.

[redcliff]

Got my P7 a year ago for $600 even. Really great condition, but just a single mag. Deals are out there. It's one of my absolute all-time favorite guns, no question.

Great score JeremyS!!

[Edwood]

Keep your eyes open, I found a n.i.b. P7 here at Calguns a couple years ago for $775 Occasionally you see West German Police trade-ins for around $800 in free states; they're a ***** to SSE though; I don't think anyone is doing them. Got any parents/grandparent/children living in free states?

I really don't waste my time scrounging the Marketplace here anymore. It's extremely frustrating as it's 90% rip off artists trying to make a quick buck.

I suppose the free market is driving it, but it's completely unfair because it's within a state that is not free.

Meh, whatever, I'm over it. I just SSE'd an HK45c. And I'll likely SSE another if I like it enough. I'd rather have 2 HK45c's than a single P7M8. Which is pretty much what the cost is ending up.

Since H&K is no longer going to make a single stack 9mm anyways, I can pick up 2 M&P Shields or XD-S for a bit more than the cost of a single HK45c.

[trigger945]

Wow, thanks for sharing OP. I have only heard of P7's and seen/held one (not sure which type) but never really knew what it is about except that it is expensive. It wasn't appealing to me at that time because I didn't know much about it. But this thread and the video are very compelling. I hope I can get to shoot one some day and get an opportunity to acquire one if I like it (which seems to be likely).

Awesome thread! Thanks again!

[nitroxdiver]

H&K P7M13 9mm Review

The p7 series of handguns are, to me, the finest 9mm self defense handguns ever made. They are not range hoses. If you are expecting to put hundreds of rounds through one at a session, you better bring gloves. As mentioned, the gas piston delayed blowback action exposes the dust cover area of the frame to a lot of heat. It also allows for the incredibly low bore axis, and remarkable accuracy of a fixed barrel.

The fluted chamber will allow spent brass to eject even with a broken or missing extractor.

The squeeze cocking/decocking mechanism for the striker means same trigger pull every time. It also allows you to chamber a round, or eject a live round, without the weapon ever being in a condition that would allow it to fire.

The squeeze cocker mechanism also acts as a slide release lever, resulting in very fast reloads and rechambering from empty, instantly putting the firearm back into action.

The weapon will still fire and function even if the operator, in a time of high stress, squeezes the trigger first, then the cocking lever second.

The weapon can be easily put into a condition of non operability by the owner by simply removing the striker mechanism.

The ambi mag release is fast, positive, and perfectly placed for manipulation with the trigger finger.

Down side to me. Maintenance. It's not a glock that can be shot and shot with minimal to no maintenance. The p7 needs to be cleaned. The gas system is a dirty operating system. It's a trade off. The slide will start to eventually bind if the gas system isn't cleaned occasionally.

The p7 is praised by many. It's one of those designs that you either get, or you don't. If you are in the first camp, it is one of the last firearms you'd ever get rid of.

It is, to me, mechanical perfection.


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[naeco81]

I wish HK would start making them again. I wonder why they don't?

Cost prohibitive; the P7 series was literally over engineered. It is an excellent pistol but just not profitable enough to produce especially with the advent of cheap, reliable polymer duty guns. Still, it is fortified as a masterpiece of firearms design.

This thread needs Lunde pics!

[john37]

My absolute favorite 9mm! I had a p7m8 and sold it after getting the p7m13. The grip is a lot wider but I like the extra heft to it.

[k1dude]

Cost prohibitive; the P7 series was literally over engineered. It is an excellent pistol but just not profitable enough to produce especially with the advent of cheap, reliable polymer duty guns. Still, it is fortified as a masterpiece of firearms design.

This thread needs Lunde pics!

Perhaps they should start making a polymer version of it to keep costs in check. Purists will hate it, but I'll bet it would sell like hotcakes.

[Edwood]

Even if they get rid of the piston delayed blowback, they could at least bring back the Squeeze cocker feature. I mean, there have been many wishing for a new striker fired H&K, right? Could you imagine a subcompact single stack squeeze cocker from H&K? Would make me forget about the Shield and XD-S in a second.

But of course, there's a snowballs chance in hell in ever getting it in California anyways, even if they eventually made it.

[plouffedaddy]

So jealous. I have to get one someday. About how many mags through before the weapon gets hot?

If you are mag-dumping ammo (which I don't really do) maybe 3. If you're shooting a competition at a moderate pace---usually 4 or 5.

[plouffedaddy]

OP,

Your experience and opinion on the HK and caracal F in terms of felt recoil and bore axis?

Man----tough one. Overall the Caracal is probably a little lighter in recoil but it's much a much larger gun.

[plouffedaddy]

The p7 series of handguns are, to me, the finest 9mm self defense handguns ever made. They are not range hoses. If you are expecting to put hundreds of rounds through one at a session, you better bring gloves. As mentioned, the gas piston delayed blowback action exposes the dust cover area of the frame to a lot of heat. It also allows for the incredibly low bore axis, and remarkable accuracy of a fixed barrel.

The fluted chamber will allow spent brass to eject even with a broken or missing extractor.

The squeeze cocking/decocking mechanism for the striker means same trigger pull every time. It also allows you to chamber a round, or eject a live round, without the weapon ever being in a condition that would allow it to fire.

The squeeze cocker mechanism also acts as a slide release lever, resulting in very fast reloads and rechambering from empty, instantly putting the firearm back into action.

The weapon will still fire and function even if the operator, in a time of high stress, squeezes the trigger first, then the cocking lever second.

The weapon can be easily put into a condition of non operability by the owner by simply removing the striker mechanism.

The ambi mag release is fast, positive, and perfectly placed for manipulation with the trigger finger.

Down side to me. Maintenance. It's not a glock that can be shot and shot with minimal to no maintenance. The p7 needs to be cleaned. The gas system is a dirty operating system. It's a trade off. The slide will start to eventually bind if the gas system isn't cleaned occasionally.

The p7 is praised by many. It's one of those designs that you either get, or you don't. If you are in the first camp, it is one of the last firearms you'd ever get rid of.

It is, to me, mechanical perfection.


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Excellent summary.