SSE-AB 169 makes it illegal?

[Maddawg46]

Reading AB-169 seems to imply if you own a handgun that is not on the safe roster list, then you have to surrender it. It does state that if a gun falls off the list that it would be legal to own. But nothing about single shot exemption purchased handguns.
Does that mean if you own a SSE handgun that you will have to turn it in to the DOJ?

[t4r]

what if you have an off-roster handgun that was purchased thru private party??

[MaHoTex]

That is not how I read it. You will not be able to purchase or sell unless it is on the list. I see nothing about handguns already owned.

[CAL.BAR]

A very impractical reading of it OP. That would be a "taking" and clearly unconstitutional. If the state could have done that they would have already done so with AWs.

[saudadeii]

Roster applies to the transfer of ownership, not ownership itself.

[cannonierd]

A very impractical reading of it OP. That would be a "taking" and clearly unconstitutional. If the state could have done that they would have already done so with AWs.

I would say that constitutionality does not matter at this point as we can see that by the pace and which they try to pass legislation now. Pass as much as you can and dare the court to stop us I think seems to be the new mantra. Also I continue to see people use the "AW" verb-age when these weapons are not assault weapons. If we continue to follow this premise were giving into their argument. Hell if I read the proposed legislation now and I am no lawyer there going after all rifles with detachable magazines so there now going after the AR-15, M14 and the like. Full on war against the gun owners now that one party is in total power..

[jeffafa]

I decided to look this up and OP has me thinking now. Not sure how these strikethroughs and color changes apply but here is where I looked:

http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=201320140AB169

A couple of things are a little confusing to me:

This bill would limit these exemptions to a maximum of 2 firearms per person, per calendar year, and would make the provisions defining and governing unsafe handguns inapplicable to the sale, loan, or transfer surrender of any pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person, conducted through a licensed dealer, that was listed on the roster of not unsafe handguns but was subsequently removed because of the failure to pay the fee necessary to keep the firearm listed on the roster person to a local law enforcement agency. By expanding the definition of a crime, this bill would impose a state-mandated local program.

Later, down below in the lettered sections there is a sentence that simply states:
(l) The surrender of any pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person to a local law enforcement agency.

Looks like the latest amendment to this bill was documented as last Monday, 8/12. I'm no lawyer and certainly don't want to try to interpret the legal language but reading this bill, as it reads on that website, uses the word "surrender" a couple of times.

[taifei]

I think it's saying surrendering a firearm not on the list is exempt from the 2 per year. That's the way I'm reading it at least. It is a confusing bill.

[jeffafa]

I think it's saying surrendering a firearm not on the list is exempt from the 2 per year. That's the way I'm reading it at least. It is a confusing bill.

No doubt! I consider myself fairly intelligent (maybe I overshot ) but I've read through the entire text 3 times and am still confused.
Hopefully someone who is way smarter than me can figure this out and provide the true meaning. Maybe this should be moved to the 2A forum?

[autoduel]

I think it's saying surrendering a firearm not on the list is exempt from the 2 per year. That's the way I'm reading it at least. It is a confusing bill.

That's how I read it. Say you turn a gun in in a buyback, it doesn't count towards your 2 per year limit on "off roster" transfers.

[scoobydo]

So does this mean SSE of new handguns will still be legal, I can only do it twice a year?

[BumBum]

So does this mean SSE of new handguns will still be legal, I can only do it twice a year?

No, because of this language:

However, Article 4 (commencing with Section 31900) and Article 5 (commencing with Section 32000) shall apply to a semiautomatic pistol that has been temporarily or permanently altered so that it will not fire in a semiautomatic mode.

http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billAnalysisClient.xhtml

Under current law, the applicable section does not apply, hence allowing SSE. The limit of 2 per year is referring to something else.

[gixer1k]

I believe if this law is passed, you will no longer be able to purchase off roster handguns, SSE goes away. You can surrender your weapons to police, or sell at a gun buyback as many as you want. However, if you want to sell it to a dealer, or roster exempt persons, only 2 a year. No ppt of off roster unless purchaser is roster exempt.

Seems to me a bad law and poorly thought out (or not thought out at all)

[JDay]

A very impractical reading of it OP. That would be a "taking" and clearly unconstitutional. If the state could have done that they would have already done so with AWs.

There's a bill aiming to do just that with rebuild kits and 11+ round magazines that have been converted to hold 10 rounds or less.

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[ke6guj]

The limit of 2 per year is referring to something else.

ok, you need to read the actual PC modifications, not the summary of the modifications. when you dig down in the bill you see this,

32110. Article 4 (commencing with Section 31900) and Article 5 (commencing with Section 32000) shall not apply to any of the following:
(a) (1) The sale, loan, or transfer of any firearm pursuant to Chapter 5 (commencing with Section 28050) of Division 6 in order to comply with Section 27545 if the sale, loan, or transfer satisfies the requirements specified in paragraph (2).
(2) The sale, loan, or transfer of any firearm pursuant to this subdivision is limited to a total of two firearms per person, per calendar year.

28050 is the PPT section, so they are saying that you can PPT two non-rostered handguns per calendar year. by doing that, they minimize the constitutional problems regarding prohibiting people from selling their legally obtained and possesed firearms that are not on the roster.