Question regarding 19 year old and handgun.

[Metal425]

I was wondering if it is Legal for a 19 year old to take his father's handgun (registered and legal, of course) to a range and shoot by himself. Would this be an issue?

[Chaos47]

Yes it would fall under infrequent loan (up to 30 days) you would need to get a Handgun Safety Card.
Yes, you can get a HSC when under the age of 21.

27880. Section 27545 does not apply to the loan of a firearm
between persons who are personally known to each other, if all of the
following requirements are satisfied:
(a) The loan is infrequent, as defined in Section 16730.
(b) The loan is for any lawful purpose.
(c) The loan does not exceed 30 days in duration.
(d) If the firearm is a handgun, the individual being loaned the
handgun shall have a valid handgun safety certificate.

If he has any over 10 round magazines you can not borrow them unless he is there with you.

[G21Shooter]

From my understanding POSSESSION is legal between the ages of 18 and 21, while purchasing from a dealer is not.

[Librarian]

See also the wiki article -- http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/21...r_for_Handguns

[Metal425]

See also the wiki article -- http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/21...r_for_Handguns

I don't see anything about the HSC in there. Do I have to get one?

[Metal425]

Yes it would fall under infrequent loan (up to 30 days) you would need to get a Handgun Safety Card.
Yes, you can get a HSC when under the age of 21.



If he has any over 10 round magazines you can not borrow them unless he is there with you.

It says they have to

It says it does not apply if the person is known to me (father).

[CK_32]

But you will need your pops there being I don't think 18 to 20 can use handguns with out supervision now law but most ranges policy and also you won't be able to buy ammo for it unless your 21 as well. But legal terms yes with your dads permission you can shoot it.

Him not being there I'm not sure of at the range but BLM use I'm sure he doesn't.

[RonnieP]

It says they have to

It says it does not apply if the person is known to me (father).

If you meet the requirement of Section 27880 and are personally known to each other then Section 27545 doesn't apply.

Section 27545. Where neither party to the transaction holds a dealer's
license issued pursuant to Sections 26700 to 26915, inclusive, the
parties to the transaction shall complete the sale, loan, or transfer
of that firearm through a licensed firearms dealer pursuant to
Chapter 5 (commencing with Section 28050).

Yes, laws/penal codes reads like a Which Way/Choose Your Own Adventure books.

[Chaos47]

It says they have to

It says it does not apply if the person is known to me (father).

You are reading it wrong.

27880. Section 27545 does not apply to the loan of a firearm
between persons who are personally known to each other, if all of the
following requirements are satisfied:
(a) The loan is infrequent, as defined in Section 16730.
(b) The loan is for any lawful purpose.
(c) The loan does not exceed 30 days in duration.
(d) If the firearm is a handgun, the individual being loaned the
handgun shall have a valid handgun safety certificate.

It says it does not apply if the person is known to me (father).

You seem to think it said Section 27880 itself does not apply. Thats not what it said it says a whole differnt section 27545 does not apply.

So what does Section 27545 say?

Section 27545. Where neither party to the transaction holds a dealer's license issued pursuant to Sections 26700 to 26915, inclusive, the
parties to the transaction shall complete the sale, loan, or transfer
of that firearm through a licensed firearms dealer pursuant to
Chapter 5 (commencing with Section 28050).

In short Section 27545 says you have to use an FFL to "complete the sale, loan, or transfer of that firearm"

Do you want to go to an FFL and do a transfer to borrow your Dad's pistol? I don't think so.

That is why Section 27880 says Section 27545 does not apply if all the conditions are met in 27880.

It says they have to

Section 27880 does not say the owner (loaner) needs a HSC.
It says the "individual being loaned" in this case that is you.

You need a HSC.