Doj and New handgun laws

[Mr.RoDiN]

SO let me get this straight. I dont want this to be a newby style thread but..... I was at the local shooting range today (firing line) in Northridge, and I was talking to one of the range masters who is really cool. I asked him about these new laws 1. The 2006 law with the mandatory loaded indicator and 2. The 2007 law with the NO FIRE while mag is detached law. From what I had understood, I thought whatever handgun that was approved on the DOJ roster was already approved and these laws wouldnt conflict with those weapons. He explained to me that each handgun must be submitted yearly and after a year the handguns are not approved till they are admitted again. Now because of the new laws, and after the full year the guns have on the roster, if infact they do expire, then these handguns are no longer kosher. Is this true? Im very scared. There are so many more handguns I would like to purchase. What would happen to all these gun stores if 80% of these guns are no longer legal to buy? Please help!!!!!!!!!!! IM sorry if tin foil is on a bit tight

[ohsmily]

SO let me get this straight. I dont want this to be a newby style thread but..... I was at the local shooting range today (firing line) in Northridge, and I was talking to one of the range masters who is really cool. I asked him about these new laws 1. The 2006 law with the mandatory loaded indicator and 2. The 2007 law with the NO FIRE while mag is detached law. From what I had understood, I thought whatever handgun that was approved on the DOJ roster was already approved and these laws wouldnt conflict with those weapons. He explained to me that each handgun must be submitted yearly and after a year the handguns are not approved till they are admitted again. Now because of the new laws, and after the full year the guns have on the roster, if infact they do expire, then these handguns are no longer kosher. Is this true? Im very scared. There are so many more handguns I would like to purchase. What would happen to all these gun stores if 80% of these guns are no longer legal to buy? Please help!!!!!!!!!!! IM sorry if tin foil is on a bit tight

He was incorrect, as long as the manufacturer continues to renew what is already on the list and doesn't let it lapse, they can keep it on the list. And by the way, it isn't a 1 and then 2 takes effect in '07. Right now, newly added handguns must have 1 or the other. And in '07, they must have both. For example, if a pistol has a magazine disconnect (and no chamber loaded indicator), it can be added to the list this year. Next year, it must have both to be added.

Again, if something is already on the safe handgun list and is properly renewed, it will be valid for sale beyond the 1-1-07 date and as long as it is renewed.

[FCinCA]

He explained to me that each handgun must be submitted yearly and after a year the handguns are not approved till they are admitted again. Now because of the new laws, and after the full year the guns have on the roster, if infact they do expire, then these handguns are no longer kosher. Is this true?

Your rangemaster pretty much summed it up unless the manufacturer keeps their submittals current and does not let them lapse. That's the problem with "The Great State". The only way to get the ones not on the DOJ lists are by getting the weapons via PPT (Private Party Transfer). You can't import guns from a private party from a different state because of the multiple FFL's needed. My suggestion is if you can, get the ones you want while you can. Otherwise if you don't, you'd better hope someone in Cali wants to sell it and that in itself can cause increased $$$$$$.

FC

[leelaw]

What would happen to all these gun stores if 80% of these guns are no longer legal to buy?

Then the great state of CA will get it's wish and drop most sales of handguns, and possibly put many stores out of business.

Tell me you're shocked, I dare you.

[SFV_Dealer]

Yes, the new laws will affect the number of pistols available for purchase. I don't know if the manufacturer will change their design for CA like they do for NY & DC. If they don't such as the 1911's or Glocks, then we won't have them around in 2007. Gun dealers like myself from the old days will have to close up if these laws keep passing!
Just my 2 nickels...

[Mr.RoDiN]

THIS SUCKS DONKEY ****!!!!!!!!!

[Librarian]

I don't know if the manufacturer will change their design for CA like they do for NY & DC. If they don't such as the 1911's or Glocks, then we won't have them around in 2007.

As has already been pointed out, so long as the manufacturers keep paying the yearly fee to keep a weapon on the list, those already on the list will continue to be available. It's guns NOT YET on the list which must have the 1-feature-in-2006, both-features-in-2007. Guns on the list are NOT evaluated against the requirements of laws effective after the gun was placed on the list.

[grammaton76]

Actually, doesn't the DOJ have the right to demand that up to 10% of the models on the list be re-tested for safety features?

If so, and if the re-test is on the basis of the new features, they can eliminate 10% of the non-new-standard-compliant guns every year until there are nothing but mag disconnect safety / loaded chamber indicator guns on the list.

If the re-test is NOT on the basis of the new features, then they can still keep re-trying the guns until they finally fail the drop test or something. Only takes one failure to get the gun disqualified and unlisted.

[Mr.RoDiN]

Is this true? As long as companies are willing to pay the annual fee,(they would be stupid not to) the guns do not have to be retested? Only newer models would have to comply? Oh please tell me this is how it works!

As has already been pointed out, so long as the manufacturers keep paying the yearly fee to keep a weapon on the list, those already on the list will continue to be available. It's guns NOT YET on the list which must have the 1-feature-in-2006, both-features-in-2007. Guns on the list are NOT evaluated against the requirements of laws effective after the gun was placed on the list.

[socalguns]

Why not read the law and find out first hand?

http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/dwcl/

http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/dwcl/12125.htm

[Mr.RoDiN]

Thanks for the help!!!! And I really have the time to read all this. Some of us do work.

Why not read the law and find out first hand?

http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/dwcl/

http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/dwcl/12125.htm

[Librarian]

Actually, doesn't the DOJ have the right to demand that up to 10% of the models on the list be re-tested for safety features?

If so, and if the re-test is on the basis of the new features, they can eliminate 10% of the non-new-standard-compliant guns every year until there are nothing but mag disconnect safety / loaded chamber indicator guns on the list.

If the re-test is NOT on the basis of the new features, then they can still keep re-trying the guns until they finally fail the drop test or something. Only takes one failure to get the gun disqualified and unlisted.

Yeah, that's a possibility. Unfortunately for the grabbers, the test was expected to fail the Jennings/Bryco/Ravens of the industry - but they passed! Higher quality firearms would have to have a really serious manufacturing defect to fail. If Lockyear wants his troops spending all their time trying to fail high-quality pistols, I expect that's not so bad as other things they might be doing, nor yet so useful and contributory to actual public safety as a third set of activities within their power.

[12voltguy]

Your rangemaster pretty much summed it up unless the manufacturer keeps their submittals current and does not let them lapse. That's the problem with "The Great State". The only way to get the ones not on the DOJ lists are by getting the weapons via PPT (Private Party Transfer). You can't import guns from a private party from a different state because of the multiple FFL's needed. My suggestion is if you can, get the ones you want while you can. Otherwise if you don't, you'd better hope someone in Cali wants to sell it and that in itself can cause increased $$$$$$.

FC

Sorry this in not true, I just bought 2 that way they do have to be on the "list"

[EOD Guy]

Sorry this in not true, I just bought 2 that way they do have to be on the "list"

I believe he was talking about handguns not on the list. At least, that's how I took it.