Heeling or pulling trigger

[agent88]

I tend to hit 2 o'clock high right with my hand guns. I don't know how to correct. How do you stop Heeling ? Or should I be working more on trigger pull.

[El Toro]

Don't choke your grip and squeeze slower.
This may help with diagnosing your grip issues.




Here's a printable one to Download

[agent88]

Thanks.

Don't choke your grip. Does that mean don't squeeze too hard with strong hand or off hand?

I've seen that target but I think it's more for single hand shooting.

[doc540]

Enos says hold the gun from side to side with your hands instead of front to back.

That frees the trigger to be pressed, not squeezed or pulled.

Seems to work for me.

[agent88]

Enos says hold the gun from side to side with your hands instead of front to back.

That frees the trigger to be pressed, not squeezed or pulled.

Seems to work for me.

Thanks. .. that's very interesting I have never heard that before. The thumbs forward grip always felt strange to me because I felt like I was sandwiching the gun side to side like you said. But now that I understand it maybe I can make it work.

[Revoman]

Although that target is for bullseye shooting, which is off-hand, or single hand, it still is relevant for a two hand hold....for a right handed shooter that is. For left handers, it still applies, only opposite.

The very best advise that I can give you is to relax your strong hand, if shooting with both hands and only move the trigger finger. The gun is built to recoil into your hand/grip. You can also use your off hand, or non shooting hand, to grip around the strong hand, firmly, thereby helping control any recoil for follow up shots.

Your strong hand should have little to no tension in it other than the trigger finger. There are many who will tell you to only use the very tip of the index finger on the trigger. While this is sound advise for many, some cannot make this work. Find the most comfortable position for the index finger, but do not go past the first knuckle break. There is usually between .75" and 1" from the tip of that finger to the first knuckle break, somewhere in between that area, you will find a comfort spot that will not move the muzzle either way side to side. That's your sweet spot. Find it and relax the rest of your hand. If you can, try and keep the entire first knuckle straight, only bending at the second knuckle. This will stop most of the side to side issues.

Make certain to pull straight back with the index finger, towards the back strap, or the web of you thumb and forefinger, smoothly, let it break and DO NOT anticipate the shot. It should be a surprise going off.

Dry fire helps, of course checking for a loaded weapon and without any ammunition present at all. Practice and practice again. Once you practice, practice again. There is a lot to be said for muscle memory here.

[Chief-7700]

To much finger on the trigger and remember trigger reset.
Chief

[The Soup Nazi]

For bullseye shooting, if I want to shift my natural point of aim horizontally (same principle as trying not to muscle a rifle at where you want to aim), I barely slide my grip in that particular direction (So if I want to shift natural point of aim to the left, I slide my grip forward-left, which pushes the rear of the pistol to the right side of my palm, and vice versa). It's not as big of an issue firing two handed, but if you practice dry firing one handed and figure out your grip without causing sights to naturally drift left or right, it'll be pretty easy because your support hand won't have to compensate and minimize any error in your one handed grip.

To stay consistent in elevation, I think the key is to always get that firm high grip on your pistol (To the point that you have that lump of flesh clumping at the rear of the slide), and then figure out where your sights need to lay on the target. If you don't hold the pistol at the same point every time, then it's a bit difficult to figure out if it's sight alignment/picture or if you're disturbing that picture through muscular tension.

[swifty]

I'm not sure there is a big problem here, and there's not enough info for a diagnoses. I'm liking what I see so far.

The lower two shots may be the bad trigger pull (low, left is common for right handed shooters), while the upper group is the actual point-of-impact. In this case, a sight adjustment would correct for elevation.

Glock sights are designed for combat, not targets, as such, the rear sight notch is wide to allow more light to show between the front and rear sights. This makes it harder to to keep the same amount-of-light on each side of the front sight.

At this point...
~ I would blacken the sights for shooting.
~ Shim the rear sight notch to make it narrower.
~ Shoot at longer distances.

Longer distances should exaggerate any problems, making them easier to diagnose.

[9mmepiphany]

At 7 yards, I'd work on tightening your lateral dispersion before worrying about your group being a bit high.

Without having seen how you grip, press your trigger or being about to correct between shots...and see those results...it is hard to tell if it is more about trigger management (likely) or grip pressure (possible)

Try printing/drawing a series of twelve 1" dots/squares on a piece of printer paper...3 across x 4 rolls...and shooting only one shot at each. That will provide a much clearer idea of what you are doing with the trigger and what you are seeing when the shot breaks