Brand new rock island armory 45 tactical........30 FTF's out of100 **UPDATE**

[JDay]

why?
my new sig XO 1911 went right to range 135 rds in a row, no problems
same with all my glocks
guns shouldn't need break in time to function correctly

I put 400 fmj through my Sig 1911 first range trip with no issues. Had problems with all 3 magazines of hp rounds I tried though. I'm going to try a couple other brands of hp before sending it to Sig.

[JanG]

why?
my new sig XO 1911 went right to range 135 rds in a row, no problems
same with all my glocks
guns shouldn't need break in time to function correctly

I feel the same way with all my guns. I'm sure Armscor would have fixed my problem if I contacted them, but I wanted to figure it out for myself. That's one more part of the 1911 I understand better now because of those issues.

My M&P had no issues out of the box, but I had a Glock 21 that had extraction problems. I also have a Citadel (also made by Armscor) that has approximately 400 rds through it without any issues related to the firearm, except for some really sandy mags that caused failure to lock back.

[myk]

why?
my new sig XO 1911 went right to range 135 rds in a row, no problems
same with all my glocks
guns shouldn't need break in time to function correctly

True; I said the same thing about my 1911 when it was malfunctioning all over the place for the first 200 rounds. But, my own personal research into the matter showed that there are countless examples all over the intrawebz of 1911 owners that had to deal with break-in and other teething issues until their 1911 started to operate properly. Sure, there were guns and owners like yourself that were lucky enough to have a straight shooter out of the box, but most of the 1911 owners, whether it was an RIA or a Nighthawk had to wait for their gun to settle...

[chuckdc]

Save your money and buy a Les Baer.
No break in period.
No lube or oily mess(just need a little oil).
works every time.

nope. Even Les Baer guns choke. Saw that with my own 2 eyes. Brand-new Baer gun that didn't work with WWB. I'd have been livid if my 2500 dollar wondergun didn't work with ball ammo.

[pc_load_letter]

Big thanks to the OP and all the great posts regarding this problem. I was also having these issues with my new Auto Ordnance 1911. Chalked it up to bad magazine but still had the problem with a new CMC mag.

So this morning I examined my slide stop and it looks worse than the OP's. Perhaps it's because I've had it longer with more rounds through it but the wear mark is quite visible. Not sure if I want to go the route of fixing it myself or purchasing a new ss.

Never the less, a big THANK YOU to the community!

Pics of mine...

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[RedFord150]

And a dab of GREASE on the slide and frame rails.

Yes!
I use Tetra Gun Grease. I have no idea if it is better than any automotive product, as many others have claimed. However, if I have to send in for a warranty issue, I like to be able to say I use only products made for my gun. The cost of a tube is around $7 at my LGS and lasts for years.

[Lockwood2988]

Big thanks to the OP and all the great posts regarding this problem. I was also having these issues with my new Auto Ordnance 1911. Chalked it up to bad magazine but still had the problem with a new CMC mag.

So this morning I examined my slide stop and it looks worse than the OP's. Perhaps it's because I've had it longer with more rounds through it but the wear mark is quite visible. Not sure if I want to go the route of fixing it myself or purchasing a new ss.

Never the less, a big THANK YOU to the community!

Pics of mine...

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Cool glad this thread helped out others......after a google search this problem seems to be a somewhat common occurrence with 1911's

[200Apples]

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The more we learn about something, the more we see... I'm always pleasantly amazed at that.

Thanks to those who've posted their experiences.

No one has yet mentioned using snap caps/dummy rounds to also aid slide-to-frame burnishing. Once the bigger manufacturing issues found in less-expensive guns are addressed, the use of snap caps can not only help the slide and barrel lugs break-in, their use will improve your aim and trigger pull.
Try them!

[Lead Waster]

If you want to work out bugs by letting the parts settle into each other ... wouldn't it make sense to use LESS lube? So the parts can rub each other down to fit?

I'm just wondering, I'm not saying it should be done.

I think 1911's just have more problems because there are so many manufacturers of every part.

Even during WWII, with all those factories making them, there were quality differences (I've heard the Singer ones were too well made, whatever that means!)

But now, I mean ... people make 1911's at home and then just go online and there are hundreds of the same part to choose from.

How many slide stops brands and models can you find?!

So sure, Glocks work out of the box. Only Glock makes Glock pistols and magazines... (or at least contracts out the magazines to one company).

I really think 1911's reward you for shooting them a lot. The more you do, the more reliable they become. If you take a safe queen out to the range, they'll be all huffy and "Bah, you never take me out, I'm not going to have fun".

Also the "break in period" to me means the "Forgive any malfunctions period". Sort of like how you have to "break in" kids for 18 years before anything they do is closely scrutinized. Killed a guy? Well, he was 17 at the time, it's all good!

[saudadeii]

Interesting thread.

I checked out mine with the slide off. Using the RIA Mag, the rounds seem to clear the inside of the stop just fine. I even followed the link to the extractor test/tune. That too seems fine.

I picked up my Tactical Tuesday but haven't gotten out yet to shoot. Hope to do that later today or tomorrow.

I did detail strip it (frame and slide), cleaned out all the junk and freshly greased/oiled it.

I must have racked it about 100 times so far. The safety was a bit tight but has loosened up a bit.

[saudadeii]

I did manage to get in a quick range trip. Only issue I had was the slide failed to lock back once on an empty mag. Turned out the follower slipped past the slide lock. The mag was stuck. Took a bit to yank it out. Once done, it ran fine.

[missiontrails]

If you want to work out bugs by letting the parts settle into each other ... wouldn't it make sense to use LESS lube? So the parts can rub each other down to fit?

I'm just wondering, I'm not saying it should be done.

I think 1911's just have more problems because there are so many manufacturers of every part.

Even during WWII, with all those factories making them, there were quality differences (I've heard the Singer ones were too well made, whatever that means!)

But now, I mean ... people make 1911's at home and then just go online and there are hundreds of the same part to choose from.

How many slide stops brands and models can you find?!

So sure, Glocks work out of the box. Only Glock makes Glock pistols and magazines... (or at least contracts out the magazines to one company).

I really think 1911's reward you for shooting them a lot. The more you do, the more reliable they become. If you take a safe queen out to the range, they'll be all huffy and "Bah, you never take me out, I'm not going to have fun".

Also the "break in period" to me means the "Forgive any malfunctions period". Sort of like how you have to "break in" kids for 18 years before anything they do is closely scrutinized. Killed a guy? Well, he was 17 at the time, it's all good!

On a 1911, less lube = more stoppages. 1911's like AR's, they NEED lube.

[Lockwood2988]

I did manage to get in a quick range trip. Only issue I had was the slide failed to lock back once on an empty mag. Turned out the follower slipped past the slide lock. The mag was stuck. Took a bit to yank it out. Once done, it ran fine.

Lucky !! I changed my slide stop out this afternoon and hit the range......fired 125 rounds.....still got FTF's :-( . But much less frequent, had about maybe 10 which is disappointing. Slide would lock about half way through a mags still

[negolien]

Did you take it all apart and clean it/lube it before you fired it?

I run my Rock Islands a bit on the wet side when I first get them, after 500 or so rounds, they seem to break in and function great.

I concur that sounds like an issue if you did. No reason it should have more than a few ftf/fte on first trip at most.

[redcliff]

Lucky !! I changed my slide stop out this afternoon and hit the range......fired 125 rounds.....still got FTF's :-( . But much less frequent, had about maybe 10 which is disappointing. Slide would lock about half way through a mags still

Time to check extractor tension and check your new slide stop for interference.