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  • rawkitt
    Junior Member
    • May 2013
    • 22

    Adaptive Carbine Platforms illegal in Ca?

    Hey cal gunners,

    I was just wondering if purchasing ACPs (Adaptive Carbine Platform) are illegal here in Cali? ive done a little research on sites such as Sigsauer.com and a few other firearm sites and they will not deliver to Cali. i know this Accessory would make my handgun a SBR and i would have to register the firearm as C&R as an exception. Which is, i'm sure a pain in the neck.

    But my real question is if i were to purchase a ACP via ebay or another classified site, will they be able to ship it to cali without any issues?
    it is to my understanding that this would not need an FFL as it is not a full firearm only an add-on.

    Thanks for the help guys!
    russell
  • #2
    bwiese
    I need a LIFE!!
    • Oct 2005
    • 27621

    You generally - esp as an individual - can't register a modern gun as a C&R.

    And the only ARs that could be C&R would be marked "Colt AR15", which makes them AWs by name wholly separate from C&R issue, and C&R does not serve as an exemption for CA AW status.

    Bill Wiese
    San Jose, CA

    CGF Board Member / NRA Benefactor Life Member / CRPA life member
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    • #3
      Quiet
      retired Goon
      • Mar 2007
      • 30242

      SIG sells three versions of the ACP.

      1. Standard ACP
      2. Enhanced ACP
      3. LE ACP

      The LE ACP will make a handgun into a SBR. Which requires BATFE and CA DOJ BOF approval.

      The Standard ACP and Enhanced ACP will make a handgun into an assault weapon. [PC 30515(a)(4)(C)]

      Therefore...
      In order to legally install the Standard ACP or Enhanced ACP onto a semi-auto pistol, that semi-auto pistol must be modified to operate from a fixed 10 or less round magazine.
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      "If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun." - Dalai Lama (Seattle Times, 05-15-2001).

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      • #4
        rawkitt
        Junior Member
        • May 2013
        • 22

        thanks for the info guys..

        learned some things tonight.

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        • #5
          walmart_ar15
          Senior Member
          • Oct 2006
          • 2335

          Originally posted by Quiet

          The Standard ACP and Enhanced ACP will make a handgun into an assault weapon. [PC 30515(a)(4)(C)]

          e.
          the barrel is still covered.by the slide, the acp in stnd is like a massive scope mount. Confused.

          I know we error on the side of caution, just like to known if this type of device had been commented on by DOJ?
          Last edited by walmart_ar15; 06-20-2013, 6:00 AM.

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          • #6
            Quiet
            retired Goon
            • Mar 2007
            • 30242

            Originally posted by walmart_ar15
            the barrel is still covered.by the slide, the acp in stnd is like a massive scope mount. Confused.

            I know we error on the side of caution, just like to known if this type of device had been commented on by DOJ?
            With it installed, the handgun's barrel and slide are covered by a "barrel shroud".
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            "If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun." - Dalai Lama (Seattle Times, 05-15-2001).

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            • #7
              NoSpam
              Senior Member
              • Apr 2013
              • 711

              I just got a mech tech ccu for my glock. I plan to grind down the mag release to make a bullet button, and then install a ctr stock and pin it for 30" OAL

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              • #8
                rawkitt
                Junior Member
                • May 2013
                • 22

                @NoSpam where/how did you purchase mech tech ccu?

                will you have to register it with the DOJ after all the mods??

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                • #9
                  rawkitt
                  Junior Member
                  • May 2013
                  • 22

                  @NoSpam where/how did you purchase mech tech ccu?

                  will you have to register it with the DOJ after all the mods??

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                  • #10
                    NoSpam
                    Senior Member
                    • Apr 2013
                    • 711

                    I ordered a G19 kit from glockparts.com and it was dropshipped within a week. Under current AW laws, it doesn't require any special registration. Now whether that will change in the next year or so, I don't know.

                    However, you can't just buy the kit and slap it on your pistol lower. Doing so would automatically make it an AW. There's a certain order that needs to be followed.

                    First I need to install a fixed stock on the Mech Tech CCU that will bring the OAL to 30". Then I'll have to remove the mag release from my glock and grind it down so that it cannot be pressed without the use of a tool. Once both of those steps are completed, I can finally attach the 2 pieces together and form Voltron...err I mean my 9mm carbine.

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                    • #11
                      NoSpam
                      Senior Member
                      • Apr 2013
                      • 711

                      check out Oceanbob's Mech Tech CCU 10mm thread. Lots of good info there.

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                      • #12
                        Dattebayo
                        Senior Member
                        • Apr 2013
                        • 2344

                        Originally posted by NoSpam
                        I can finally attach the 2 pieces together and form Voltron.
                        Love it! Made my day lol.

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                        • #13
                          ProducerGuy
                          Junior Member
                          • Jun 2013
                          • 11

                          I purchased a Mech Tech CCU for my Glock 22 about 3-4 weeks ago and had no problems with it being shipped to CA. It's technically a parts kit, so no problems there. Best to travel to and from the range with the lower and upper separated. Technically requires a bullet button when assembled, but they have directions/specs in their online forum.

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                          • #14
                            Cyc Wid It
                            Veteran Member
                            • Mar 2009
                            • 4485

                            I hope you are following this "technical requirement" as it's the law.
                            WTS all BNIB: Colt S70 Repro, HK45c, Gen4 G19

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