Smith and Wesson Model 60 PRO/ List?

[461]

OK, Smith has come out with a pro series on the J frame and I like it. The Model 60Pro is a stnls, 3", .357.

Our lovely California list shows a model 60-14, a 60-15, and a 60-15 Hi-Viz, all Stnls, 3", .357's.

OK, how do I determine if the Model 60Pro is a -14 or a -15 or even a -?

Model 60 Pro Series

[Tarn_Helm]

no ILS

OK, Smith has come out with a pro series on the J frame and I like it. The Model 60Pro is a stnls, 3", .357.

Our lovely California list shows a model 60-14, a 60-15, and a 60-15 Hi-Viz, all Stnls, 3", .357's.

OK, how do I determine if the Model 60Pro is a -14 or a -15 or even a -?

Model 60 Pro Series

I couldn't tell you.

I refuse to buy an S&W equipped with the "Internal Locking System."

[smittty]

I don't know if its one the roster or not. I think its worth the call to s&w to find out though.

Its a very nice looking revolver!

[461]

Wow, Thanks Tarn_Helm, I'm so pleased that you could add your completely useless opinion to my information request. Please feel free to ignore my posts in the future.

Smitty- I'll give them a call tomorrow but I figure I'll have to go through a bunch of people before finding anyone who understands our goofy system.

[rivviepop]

I did some quick Googling for you last night (was working, no time to post) and didn't get definitive results; however, my spidey sense gathered from the posts on other forums that the 60 Pro is *not* one of the dash models on the list, people who owned it and were talking about it (including one website that reviewed it!) had the general undertone that this was a unique stock number and was not a marketing term for a regular dash model in the 60 line.

$0.02, hope it helps some...

[461]

Thanks, I have that feeling as well. Never hurts to try though, I'll post what I find out from S&W.

[bwiese]

For S&Ws, I believe the '60 Pro' would in fact be listed as that on the DOJ Roster.

The new 686 SSR is listed with the SSR designation; the Mountain Gun variants of the 629 are similarly listed in current Roster.

Feel free to ignore Tarn Helm's post above. I love the new Smiths and I believe MIM parts have improved their quality & consistency. And if the 'lock' irritates him he can remove the stud easily enough.

[Overkill]

It's not listed yet. However, S&W is very good about getting their revos listed. The 60 Pro came out around February at the SHOT show. It usually takes 3-4 months for their pistols to be listed once production has started. I would expect the 60 Pro to show up on the roster within a month or two.

[461]

Thanks guys, I spoke to a customer service rep at Smith and Wesson earlier and got some info.

The fellow told me that the Model 60 Pro is no more than a model 60-15, the only difference is that it's gone through the performance center for a tune and the 3" barrel is a different shape. Obviously he couldn't comment on California legality and suggested I speak to a dealer here. Again, we're back to the merry-go-round.

I tend to side with bwiese based on the SSR which I was also looking at that it should be listed by designation. As Overkill says, it will show up soon enough as S&W is very good about getting us their products.

Gives me a bit more time to save some cash anyway as long as I can keep what I've already got.

[rivviepop]

The fellow told me that the Model 60 Pro is no more than a model 60-15, the only difference is that it's gone through the performance center for a tune and the 3" barrel is a different shape. Obviously he couldn't comment on California legality and suggested I speak to a dealer here.

This is enough to place the revolver into it's own class, thereby requiring it to go through the CA drop test and S&W paying to get it on the list; the different shaped barrel is enough of a change to cause it to be a different roster item than a 60-15. The DOJ list even considers a weapon's finish (i.e a matte black polycoat versus a stainless) as enough of a change that it has to be handled uniquely, whether or not it actually makes a different to the gun's safety in the real world. *sigh*

[461]

It's actually kind of a grey area but since S&W has no problem submitting their models for the testing I imagine they have rather than play a game of semantics with the state.

The PRO is still a model 60-15 and it still has a 3" barrel which is all that is specified on the list but we all know how nitpicky the state gets on this junk.

[smittty]

I believe it would be listed as "model 60 Pro". DOJ is very specific about the model numbers and descriptions. Consider the recent P225/P6 confusion and with different importer marks making a difference, should tell you they are very specific.

I fell in love with model 60 Pro the first time I saw a photo of it. I can't afford another gun right now but I did last week get in the mail the nice wood grips that it comes with. They cost $45 or so from S&W. They are beautiful! I'm going to put them on a 642 that I'm picking up tomorrow. I'll try to post some pics tomorrow night. It will be my model "642 Pro"!

[trashman]

IMNAAHO S&W is making some of the finest guns they ever have -- and more consistently so.

Now - I'm on the record as saying I prefer non-MIM parts (hammer and trigger particularly) but it's for aesthetic reasons only. I don't have the BATF numbers at hand but the sheer volume of revolvers that S&W ships every year is a pretty damn big one.

And I think the lock has demonstrated itself to be a problem with Scandium guns and such.

But - as Bill has also pointed out before - the triggers on MIM-part guns are smoother out of the box than any NIB pre-MIM gun you'll ever see. CNC manufacturing isn't romantic, but it builds some damn good guns. I own lock-ified S&W's (including a Trail Boss I trust my life to in the backcountry) and also pre-MIM/lock guns, too.

Life goes on, and S&W keeps churning out things I want to buy and shoot.

cheers,
Neill

[rivviepop]

I just can't get over the "ting" feel I get when I shoot the ones with MIM parts is all, that's my main hang up - I like the more "clunk" of a forged hammer falling. *shrug*

[liketoshoot]

My FFL said that if the mod 60-(newest) is listed it means all mod 60's of that dash. So in his opinion it is legal in CA.