wilson combat vs baer vs nhc when it comes to modifications

[Uncle Leo]

On WC's site it states no changes or something like that. But surely you can order them w/ no fcs, right?

Baer and Nighthawk allow this. Well, I don't know if they personally allow it, but dealers do send approved models with no fcs or slide markings and they get approved.

[hossb7]

According to Bill Wilson in the interview he did with Larry Vickers, the customer can order whatever they want.

[Uncle Leo]

According to Bill Wilson in the interview he did with Larry Vickers, the customer can order whatever they want.

The CALIFORNIA CUSTOMER ?

When googling all I found were people who said they couldn't change anything.

[mrdd]

If the gun is being bought from a dealer, no mods are allowed due to the roster. After the sale, you can modify it however you like.

[Uncle Leo]

If the gun is being bought from a dealer, no mods are allowed due to the roster. After the sale, you can modify it however you like.

So is it illegal to buy a Les Baer premier II with no fcs form Gunbroker or that crazy john guy? I know many people who have done this and nobody said anything because it just says Premier II on the list. No stock number. But Wilson seems to have stock numbers next to their approved models. Is this the reason mods for Baer's and Nighthawks seem to be ok?

[mrdd]

So is it illegal to buy a Les Baer premier II with no fcs form Gunbroker or that crazy john guy? I know many people who have done this and nobody said anything because it just says Premier II on the list. No stock number. But Wilson seems to have stock numbers next to their approved models. Is this the reason mods for Baer's and Nighthawks seem to be ok?

The les bear website lists ten california rostered models of 1911s. The website clearly states that all orders must go through an FFL.

If you are buying it on gunbroker, it would have to be used and in-state to PPT.

[hossb7]

The CALIFORNIA CUSTOMER ?

When googling all I found were people who said they couldn't change anything.

You didn't stipulate the customer being in California nor the concern with the handgun roster in your initial post.

[Nate]

The les bear website lists ten california rostered models of 1911s. The website clearly states that all orders must go through an FFL.

If you are buying it on gunbroker, it would have to be used and in-state to PPT.

If you buy it on Gunbroker, why does it have to be used and in state?

[Uncle Leo]

My question really isn't getting answered

[Nate]

So is it illegal to buy a Les Baer premier II with no fcs form Gunbroker or that crazy john guy? I know many people who have done this and nobody said anything because it just says Premier II on the list. No stock number. But Wilson seems to have stock numbers next to their approved models. Is this the reason mods for Baer's and Nighthawks seem to be ok?

Why would it be illegal to buy a a Les Baer Premier II with no FCS. I don't see any where on the Ca Roster that refers to FCS. From what I read, the Ca roster says Les Baer Premier II/ Steel 5 inch barrel in .45ACP.

By the way, Crazy John understands the Ca a roster and will not ship off roster pistols unless done by SSE conversion.

[Uncle Leo]

Why would it be illegal to buy a a Les Baer Premier II with no FCS. I don't see any where on the Ca Roster that refers to FCS. From what I read, the Ca roster says Les Baer Premier II/ Steel 5 inch barrel in .45ACP.

By the way, Crazy John understands the Ca a roster and will not ship off roster pistols unless done by SSE conversion.

I just don't get why Wilson seems to be adamant about no mods. Even minor ones like grips and serrations. But other custom builders seems to change things for ca buyers. Kinda odd. Maybe its just a Wilson Combat thing.

[Nate]

I just don't get why Wilson seems to be adamant about no mods. Even minor ones like grips and serrations. But other custom builders seems to change things for ca buyers. Kinda odd. Maybe its just a Wilson Combat thing.

Not sure about Wilson. All I know is the make great 1911's!

[osxgp]

All companies have to follow the CA laws and anything (even minor) that was not on the gun submitted to be tested for the CA roster would be illegal. You can send the gun back to the company and have them upgrade or change whatever you want, but nothing before. If your wanting a gun configured a certain way straight from the factory, then you will have to do the SSE (single shot exemption). There is no other way around it unless your in law enforcement. If that doesn't answer the question then I don't know what will.

[Lost In The Pits]

Jumping in on how stupid the roster is on the CA DOJ website it says in red letters that pistols on list are allowed with or without night sights.

http://certguns.doj.ca.gov/

[Yerman]

I just don't get why Wilson seems to be adamant about no mods. Even minor ones like grips and serrations. But other custom builders seems to change things for ca buyers. Kinda odd. Maybe its just a Wilson Combat thing.

It's not Wilson, it's the state of California. Once a handgun is on the approved roster, the manufacturer can not change at all. If they do (ie remove FCS), it's no longer on the approved roster. It's a new model that must go through the process for getting on roster.

I have a completely customized Wilson on order, but I will be getting it via SSE. You can do the same but timing is an issue. SSE's are expected to go away this year and with the current wait time, the probability of getting it before SSE disappears is low.

This is the same for the other manufacturers you mentioned above. If you want to buy one of their guns that is customized from an rostered version, it will need to be done via SSE.

Best bet is to call George at Gunslingers and see if there is anything he can do.