CA Gunbroker Sellers

[emc002]

Ok, I must be missing something.

Why would someone selling a handgun on Gunbroker specifically EXCLUDE CA buyers?
I've asked a couple major sellers (kcdpd - Costa Mesa, RFA47 - Monterey), why they specifically state no CA buyers, but have never received a reply.
I'm presuming there's a good reason, I just can figure out what it is.

[PatriotnMore]

Is the gun on the CA DOJ approved list?

[mymonkeyman]

If it's off-roster, not C&R, and it's in dealer inventory (as opposed to consignment), then it would be illegal to sell to CA residents except LEOs. Otherwise, probably the general hassle of the roster to the FFL outweighs the benefit of selling to CA residents.

[emc002]

Is the gun on the CA DOJ approved list?

Doesn't matter.
If they're in CA, they can transfer it within CA without it being on the DOJ by doing a long distance PPT.
The DOJ list only applies to importation into the state.
(Search all the threads about the LEO exemption/straw man purchases/etc. to see all the pertinent PC.)

If it's off-roster, not C&R, and it's in dealer inventory (as opposed to consignment), then it would be illegal to sell to CA residents except LEOs. Otherwise, probably the general hassle of the roster to the FFL outweighs the benefit of selling to CA residents.

These are off roster older (Ruger Single Six, Ruger Bearcat, Browning 1911) guns, not C&R though.
You may have a point about dealer inventory versus consignment. *EDIT* Randall explains it below.

[ar15barrels]

Ok, I must be missing something.

Why would someone selling a handgun on Gunbroker specifically EXCLUDE CA buyers?
I've asked a couple major sellers (kcdpd - Costa Mesa, RFA47 - Monterey), why they specifically state no CA buyers, but have never received a reply.
I'm presuming there's a good reason, I just can figure out what it is.

These sellers are FFL holders who have purchased the guns for resale.
An FFL can not sell guns that are not on the approved list.

If the FFL were to take them on consignment and private party transfer them after they sold, the roster can be avoided.
Of course this only works for local sales.

[emc002]

If the FFL were to take them on consignment and private party transfer them after they sold, the roster can be avoided.
Of course this only works for local sales.

Then how do gun show sales work when neither you nor the FFL live in the same area and he ships it to your FFL to complete the transaction?

[mymonkeyman]

Then how do gun show sales work when neither you nor the FFL live in the same area and he ships it to your FFL to complete the transaction?

They click the little box on the computer program that says "gun show" sale and they do half of the paperwork at one FFL and half at the other FFL. Gun show sales dont' get around the roster though unless they are consignment sales (i.e. once a non-roster gun has entered the dealer's inventory, it can't be sold to a non-LEO in California).

[fun2none]

They click the little box on the computer program that says "gun show" sale and they do half of the paperwork at one FFL and half at the other FFL. Gun show sales dont' get around the roster though unless they are consignment sales (i.e. once a non-roster gun has entered the dealer's inventory, it can't be sold to a non-LEO in California).

Doesn't the transaction have to be performed at an actual "gun show"?

Is there even a legal definition of what is considered a gun show?

[The SoCal Gunner]

They don't want to deal with people in person aside from the people they are buying from.

All they have to do is ship the firearm out of state.

This is a response I received from DOJ when I asked them about FFLs not selling CA rostered guns to CA residents.

Mr. XX,

This is in response to your recent correspondence to the Bureau of Firearms, regarding the legalities surrounding dealers refusing to sell certain types of firearms. How a dealer chooses to utilize his or her licensure is their choice. If they choose not to engage in retail sales of hand guns, they certainly don't have to. Likewise, if a dealer is not open to the public, that is their own choice as well. However, any dealer that does sell retail handguns to the public must be fully licensed, and cannot refuse a private party transfer.

I hope this information is helpful to you. If you have any further questions or need further assistance, please contact the Bureau of Firearms at (916) 263 - 4887, or via e-mail.

Sincerely,

Brent George
Staff Services Analyst
California Department of Justice
Bureau of Firearms
Training, Information, and Compliance Section

(916) 263 - 4868

[The SoCal Gunner]

Not sure if the guy understood me correctly as his answer is still a bit vague. I don't know if he meant that a FFL dealer who has handguns in his inventory does not need to sell them to the CA public or that a FFL dealer does not need to have handguns as part of his inventory therefore not needing to sell handguns.

[MKE]

I've seen a couple before on GB and from what I gather, it's due to the high capacity magazines they're selling with the gun. I've also asked some sellers if they would sell just the gun minus the high capacity magazines, and most prefer to sell as a package.

A lot of the sellers are private party individuals using their local FFL to ship their guns.

[hawk1]

If a handgun that is not on the roster is taken in and recorded as "dealer inventory" it cannot be sold in the state. If a buyer sells a gun not on the roster to a firearms dealer it cannot be sold in the state. If a dealer takes a gun in on trade that is not on the roster it cannot be sold in the state. You get the point.

I better make the point this has only to do with those buyers that are not exempt.

[The SoCal Gunner]

If a handgun that is not on the roster is taken in and recorded as "dealer inventory" it cannot be sold in the state. If a buyer sells a gun not on the roster to a firearms dealer it cannot be sold in the state. If a dealer takes a gun in on trade that is not on the roster it cannot be sold in the state. You get the point.

I better make the point this has only to do with those buyers that are not exempt.

I don't think this is the point the OP is brining up. The dealers he mentioned will not sell any CA rostered guns to CA residents. I've seen them list plenty of guns that are on the CA roster and do not want to sell to CA residents.

[dfletcher]

I've seen a couple before on GB and from what I gather, it's due to the high capacity magazines they're selling with the gun. I've also asked some sellers if they would sell just the gun minus the high capacity magazines and most prefer to sell as a package.

A lot of the sellers are private party individuals using their local FFL to ship their guns.

I've not had a problem with a seller not completing the deal just because a hi cap mag was involved, handgun or rifle. I contact them ahead of time & just tell them to be certain to not send the mag, they can keep it, sell it or toss it. Some are more diligent than others.

[allenst65]

Since these sellers obviously enjoy brisk sales (albeit funneling nice guns out of CA) we should return the favor and seek them out for all of our PPT needs. It's part of their license afterall, so I'm sure they'd be more than willing to comply.