Any chance the HK P9s gets listed?

[jhova98040]

Hello all,

I am not sure about the entire approved handgun listing procedure... I know that the Sig P6/225 just got listed...

There are HK P9s ex-German military handguns coming into the country soon (or perhaps they are here already). Do you all think there is a chance that those will become available in CA like the P6/225s did?

If this is a stupid question, please forgive me!

Best,

Mike

[6079Winston]

I am thinking not. I don't think it meets the current magazine safety / loaded chamber indicator for one and for the other I don't think the importer will submit it for testing. If it met the qualifications and were submitted for testing, they would likely all be sold in the other free states before they made the list.

[SFFRONTMAN]

I wouldn't plan on it.

[mymonkeyman]

I thought that the P6 only got listed because it is identical to the 225, and the 225 was still on the list. Since the HK P9s or an equivalent was not on the list, it should not be able to get on.

On the other hand, somehow the Walther P1 (imported by 2 importers) got on the list in 2008 even though it is a center-fire handgun with no magazine disconnect mechanism (and its LCI is almost definitely not compliant) and the P1 and P38 weren't ever listed (and even then they aren't sufficiently identical because the frames are made of different metals).

[lunde]

The chance of that happening is somewhere between zero and none...

[CaliGunOwner]

We're all adults here, right? :scrutiny: I'll be gentle w/ my NOPE, not gonna happen

[ProtecSylt]

Frankly, I don`t know where P9S would come from. There is no German unit (military or police) that had them as standard issue. I know that early GSG 9 carried the P9S - but it would be very low numbers and I doubt they will wver be exported.
German police guns were Walther P5 (and P5 Compact for officers with small hands), Sig Sauer P225 / P6, the P228 (which will probably not be phased out for at least another 10 years) and the H&K P7.
Army standard issue was the P1 (P38 with alloy frame) and the P7 for Military Police. Some SWAT teams carried P226 but these will probably never be exported either.

[jhova98040]

i believe that I read tha the Bayern (Bavarian) state police carried the P9s, but i i could be wrong.

Dan's claims they have German military trade ins:

http://www.dansammo.com/firearms.asp

Also, was the 225 listed prior to the P6s being available?

[mymonkeyman]

i believe that I read tha the Bayern (Bavarian) state police carried the P9s, but i i could be wrong.

Dan's claims they have German military trade ins:

http://www.dansammo.com/firearms.asp

Also, was the 225 listed prior to the P6s being available?

Yes, the 225 is still listed.

[RFB]

Only way it would get approved is to have it submitted for testing. I recently had good luck in getting a ballpark on when the SIG 220 Elites were planned to be submitted (mid to late '08, WhooHooo! Elite ST in '09! ) by e-mailing SIG directly. Granted that timetable could move ($$$), but it gives you an idea.

So drop H&K an e-mail and see what happens, then let us know.

My $0.02

RFB

[Max-the-Silent]

Since the P9s isn't currently being manufactured, no.

Now, if some smart guy could get it listed on the C. & R. list...

[mymonkeyman]

Only way it would get approved is to have it submitted for testing. I recently had good luck in getting a ballpark on when the SIG 220 Elites were planned to be submitted (mid to late '08, WhooHooo! Elite ST in '09! ) by e-mailing SIG directly. Granted that timetable could move ($$$), but it gives you an idea.

So drop H&K an e-mail and see what happens, then let us know.

My $0.02

RFB

For these military or police surplus guns, it is typically the importer(s) that gets the weapon listed, not the manufacturer.

As stated before, the real problem is the loaded chamber indicator and magazine disconnect features, which is supposed to be required for all new guns. The LCI is the most problematic because it seems that the DOJ has taken either a very strict stance or a completely unpredictable stance. It will be interesting to see if the Sig 220 Elite gets listed, as the changes seem to be more than merely cosmetic (not that that stopped the Glock 21SF). On the other hand, a gun like the Walther P1 got on the list with no apparent legal reason for it being there.

[bwiese]

For these military or police surplus guns, it is typically the importer(s) that gets the weapon listed, not the manufacturer.
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...on the other hand, a gun like the Walther P1 got on the list with no apparent legal reason for it being there.

I believe a P4 or P38 had already been on the list and may have dropped off.